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Originally Posted by Bluesman
Yes, yes, LET'S. That's what free men DO. Unjust laws, whether enacted through some process that has a patina of legitimacy or not is still UNJUST, and if those laws are dangerous enough to our natural rights and inherent freedoms, they SHOULD be disobeyed.
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OK, so to disobey this law he keeps publishing as he sees fit. Not shooting people.
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Unless you'd like to make the case that the people running the Underground Railroad were WRONG.
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So, to recap you are equating 2008 Alberta with 1930's Germany (and environs)? Whilst i see where you are trying to go (totalitarian state and all that). You are basically advocating an armed resistance to laws you don't like in a democratic, civilised, secular society. What next a bombing at the HRC HQ 'cos it's (to paraphrase) "the only language they understand"?
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I bet it wouldn't be that much of a mystery.
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I am sure the people who sit in log cabins fretting over the silent whisper of the black helicopters think their message will spread like wildfire after their noble sacrifice too.
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I think you'll find that married fathers were the majority of the people putting other people into ovens all across Europe. They have a choice, too, and if one or another Mountie chooses not to be a jack-booted tool of an oppressive state, I applaud him for it. But if he just wants to follow his sick orders, he gets what he gets.
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Buddy, take a step back and really think about what you are saying. Not the blood and guts stuff, but the essence and the context. You are, essentially, saying that if there are laws, in a democratic country, that you don't believe in, your (seemingly first and only) recourse would be to kill the lawmen that came for you under said laws (which seems to be your response if you were in Mr Lavant's position). Is that what you are really saying - or are you just playing to the crowd - because that has some pretty unpleasant connotations.
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A civilized society does not haul writers before some kangaroo court to extract money and apologies from them. And ORDERLY society may, and you seem to prefer that to freedom. May your chains rest lightly upon you, slave.
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A civilised society has created an organisation, and nothing that you have mentioned changes that other than one or two dead people. Rather than a Braveheart style speech, you have made one akin to Samuel L. Jackson's character in Deep Blue Sea. Very empowering, very motivating up until he gets eaten part way through giving it. The sharks are still very much there. It will still take the people to change it, using the process that exists to do so.
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And whom do you suppose MADE this process that has given Canadians this abominbation in the first place, eh? Wasn't writers, mate; it was LAWYERS.
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Lawyers, politicians, people who draft bad terms of reference. But i will bet that all of the decision makers were Canadian and the last i looked Canada has a process for changing all this kind of stuff.
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I agree that he's much more well-spoken and effective than I am. That's why he's an accomplished editor of a national publication, and I just fulminate on our little message board.
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Go on, if you drop the ego a little, the messageboard might look a bit bigger
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And at the end of the day, it will likely avail him naught. He's fighting POWER, COMPULSION, from a body that seeks to strip him of his rights, even his THOUGHTS. When it comes down to it, the state can CRUSH him, and it will, if it thinks it can get away with it without danger to itself. That's something Captain Parker and his Minutemen understood, something I understand, and something I just don't think you 'get'.
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I get very well what he is fighting but i disagree the time has come to send him a care package from Armalite. However it would be interesting to see what our Canadian friends on WAB are doing on his behalf.
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And what do you suppose Mel and the Micks SHOULD have done, when oppressed?
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I love the reference to "Mel and the Micks", a nice piece of Gibson slighting satire that i am sure you are subtle enough to have meant and one i wholly approve of.
Wallace et al had no options left, no one to take up their cause, no route to travel. Lavant has had his "interrogation" put up on YouTube to be debated by you and me - we don't need to be on the Irish hilltop infront of "Mel the historian".
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Meanwhile, the state notices your lack of willingness to do ANYthing to defend your rights from outrages, so long as, you know, they're all LEGAL, and everything. And as you wake up tomorrow, the faceless bureaucrat has been up for HOURS already, diligently crafting the latest incursion into your perogotives, 'for your own good'.
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Indeed and they may well be sitting there looking at the motivational poster on their wall of "a man's face being smashed by a boot, again and again and again", as per the imagery of the iconic novel, however i don't believe that Alberta has reached that level yet.
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And do you imagine that if the state does not perceive a mailed fist behind the legal brief that there will be ANY dimuntion of its new-found power? Certainly NOT. They will go on and on until COMPELLED by force at least equal to its own to begin respecting the rights of individuals. In the end, it comes down to WILL, and if the state's corporate will to use compulsion is not matched or exceeded by the People's collective will to resist it, by force if it goes that far, this is just the beginning of the outrages that can be imagined, and if that bureaucrat can imagine it, he'll try it, eventually.
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Or possibly a bill will pass through the legislative assembly in Edmonton because of a ground swell of support from Canadians who are as opposed as you are.
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