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Look, all you nuggets like greek and David that want to grant illegal enemy combatants trials and access to courts and lawyers and rules of evidence and all the procedures and motions and trickery that lawyers are paid for:
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR! I would've thought that would be obvious. As obvious as the absolute imperative of winning same, and just how the hell are we supposed to do that, when whole units get called to testify, and careful evidence collection is required, with chains of custody and investigative qualifications and forensic standards expected to be upheld so that 'crime scenes' and witness statements aren't contaminated...
Look, let me ask you a question: would any of you civil libertarians that are so hot to grant all these prisoners we're rounding up - and ALL are taken with a good-faith effort to get the Bad Guys, and leave the others alone - have supported trials for military-age German males taken during the heat of battle in 1945? How 'bout Japanese? We KNOW each able-bodied (and some that weren't so able bodied) males were on-the-spot conscripted into the army during the last days of the collapsing Third Reich and Imperial Japan, so, basically, if you're found ANYwhere within the vicinity of fighting...into the stockade you go. And that was the correct thing to do.
Same here: that guy in Gitmo is NOT just some simple goat-herd on a hillside that the Yanks stormed for the express purpose of throwing anybody with a beard in jail. There's almost ALWAYS a dam' good reason that they're at Gitmo. Sometimes, mistakes are made, and that sucks. The remedy? Do the best we can with tribunals. It's not perfect justice, but I trust the men that are making a good-faith effort. We know they err on the detainee's side sometimes, because we've killed former prisoners on the battlefield subsequent to their release, one only 18 miles from where we caught him the first time.
TRIALS??? You must be mad. Do you even have any idea what the implications are for that? All the stuff I just mentioned, PLUS a hundred other things that nobody has even thought of yet, but a motivated anti-war busybody gadfly of a civil rights leftie lawyer WOULD, and the next thing you know, we're letting real, honest-to-Allah Bad Guys go right straight back to the battlefield, because William Kunstler Jr, Esq. got him off on a technicality.
This is simple madness that's taken hold of ANYbody that calls for real jury trials in wartime for rank-and-file enemy detainees. This is one EXCELLENT example of how the very things that make our society superior and BETTER than our enemies' can be used against us. And the soft-headed among us - looking right at you, greek and David - will get us all killed, if we listen to their romantic, idealistic notions of what's 'fair'. The reason we should be so reluctant to go to war is because it makes things like tribunals - imperfect justice - the best we can do in wartime.
Now, shut up all this goddamned maundering bilgewater about how we're letting down our values when we treat people that play by NO rules and behave like subhuman jungle creatures that have absolutely NO decency nor morality with so VERY much greater care and respect than they're entitled to, if there were any REAL justice at Gitmo.
Because if there WERE justice awaiting those that came to Gitmo, these animals would be waterboarded to extract every bit of intelligence we could get, then once more for their punishment and to train our guys, and finally beaten to death with the iron re-bar taken from the rubble at Ground Zero.
Whew. Felt good to get that off my chest.
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"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
- George Orwell
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