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SnowLeopard · 01-05-2008, 21:28 PM

I watch this go back and forth, one side holding its ship supreme no matter what, that it can't be beaten no matter what. It is a fair enough and if not that, then an expected position.

Personally, I give the Kirov the better chance for better shoot first from farther, more nukes aboard. Quite frankly, with a sonar bearing, possibly a range, trying to go for something of a high altitude air burst to take out the Iowa's electronics might be in the cards.

But that's the thing of it. It's not just a question of what weapon will out do another flat out, but how the commander uses it to outdo the other guy.

Since I'm a smart American, that might be presented to me. "Ounce, give me a plan I, the Iowa can win with."

But no plan, really, is a quick one-two step, but involves various points.

Kirov, on the face of it, has longer range detection gear. I can hide from it, I can deceive it, I can destroy it. Don't know of any viruses that can be transmitted thru the water, so destroying it is probably out of the question. I don't have any ASROC/SUBROC depth bombs, so I can't blue out his sonar. We are suppose to engage and destroy, so hiding, like in port, is out of it. But can I deceive it? Or can I deceive the enemy into doubting his detection gear?

It seems to me that it would be hard to deceive on the basis of the Iowa's props. They may be the loudest thing in the ocean. There may be situations, however, that might work to the advantage, such as physical features of the ocean. That here, however, is a very big iffy. Though, could creative zig-zagging upset sonar bearing detection?

Can I deceive him, get him to disbelieve his detection equipment? Or if he does fire, give him another target?

One of the things I came across when I was in was a 5 inch chaff shell in inventory. Was there a 16 inch shell as well? Could you fire one of those away from the ship and then where it explodes, illuminate that area with fire control radar, light up that spot of the ocean, make him think that you are there?

I don't know if you can or not, but in a match like this, to the death, one should think about it, of all the things one has at their disposal.
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("Zac, we're not going to win this by giving them our backs. How many do you count back there?"--Apollo, (wtte), "Battlestar Galactica")

01-05-2008, 21:28 PM	#75 (permalink)
SnowLeopard *Military Professional* Join Date: 07-18-06 Location: Texas Posts: 714	I watch this go back and forth, one side holding its ship supreme no matter what, that it can't be beaten no matter what. It is a fair enough and if not that, then an expected position. Personally, I give the Kirov the better chance for better shoot first from farther, more nukes aboard. Quite frankly, with a sonar bearing, possibly a range, trying to go for something of a high altitude air burst to take out the Iowa's electronics might be in the cards. But that's the thing of it. It's not just a question of what weapon will out do another flat out, but how the commander uses it to outdo the other guy. Since I'm a smart American, that might be presented to me. "Ounce, give me a plan I, the Iowa can win with." But no plan, really, is a quick one-two step, but involves various points. Kirov, on the face of it, has longer range detection gear. I can hide from it, I can deceive it, I can destroy it. Don't know of any viruses that can be transmitted thru the water, so destroying it is probably out of the question. I don't have any ASROC/SUBROC depth bombs, so I can't blue out his sonar. We are suppose to engage and destroy, so hiding, like in port, is out of it. But can I deceive it? Or can I deceive the enemy into doubting his detection gear? It seems to me that it would be hard to deceive on the basis of the Iowa's props. They may be the loudest thing in the ocean. There may be situations, however, that might work to the advantage, such as physical features of the ocean. That here, however, is a very big iffy. Though, could creative zig-zagging upset sonar bearing detection? Can I deceive him, get him to disbelieve his detection equipment? Or if he does fire, give him another target? One of the things I came across when I was in was a 5 inch chaff shell in inventory. Was there a 16 inch shell as well? Could you fire one of those away from the ship and then where it explodes, illuminate that area with fire control radar, light up that spot of the ocean, make him think that you are there? I don't know if you can or not, but in a match like this, to the death, one should think about it, of all the things one has at their disposal. ----------------------------------------------------------- ("Zac, we're not going to win this by giving them our backs. How many do you count back there?"--Apollo, (wtte), "Battlestar Galactica")