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Originally Posted by gunnut
Exactly. That's why I said point blank range Kirov is dead meat against Iowa. TPHuang's point is that Kirov does have within horizon range weapons in SAMs used for anti-surface role. Those missiles need to have a targeting lock to fire. In 1v1 duel (for the sake of this thread) that means Kirov is within the horizon of the Iowa to be able to use these weapons. That means Iowa is free to let loose the 16" guns. Dead Kirov.
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do you know how the Russians used their shipwreck missiles? How they were able to make use of the maximum range? If you did, you wouldn't be saying something like this.
Even on top of that, they had a bunch of OTH radar that can detect a behemoth like Iowa. And on top of that, they had helicopters to provide targeting.
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In a on the horizon encounter the Iowas are quite deadly for the Kirov. Normal eye sight to the horizon is nominal 12-15 miles before the curvature of the earth fools your eyes. The Harpoon is good for 85 miles out and the Toms are good for 1500 miles out. Needless to say these are the older versions of these missles and if upgraded such as the thread portrayed it would have to be taken into consideration the ranges of the newer missles and the power of their warhead. Kirov is a floating "open bag of fireworks" just waiting for a lit match.
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Anti-ship version of tomahawk never had a range of 1500 miles. And you can't effectively target that far either. And a couple of harpoon has no chance of penetrating Kirov's air defense. Seriously, your degradation of Kirov is just non-sensical. Please read up on its capabilities before continuing to reply.
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The problem is what if Kirov expends all her Shipwrecks, with a few hits, but fails to do significant damage?
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as I said, all S-300 and SA-N-9 have secondary anti-ship mode. And it can always run away if it wanted to at anytime.
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I was addressing the point made by tphuang about using the surface to air missiles on the Kirov in anti-surface mode. In that case, the missiles will need a firing solution in order to launch. That means the Kirov is within sight of the Iowa. The SAMs might have active radar guidence so it doesn't need any input from the mothership, but it can still be fooled by counter meansures.
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what anti-ship missiles out there don't use active radar guidance?
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Shells on the other hand, are dumb. That means they can't be fooled, since they are dumb already. That also makes them cheap and Iowa packs a lot of them. In a 1v1, point blank fight, Kirov is toast. The only change Kirov has is to keep the distance and hope the Granits can do enough damage from long range.
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only chance? first, the obvious part is that the reactor on kirov allows it to sustain a higher speed. Then, even the shells still have to penetrate the close in defense systems of kirov. Not the easiest task to do.
This doesn't mean it can't be penetrated, but you have to use a lot of modern lo missiles + modern sensors.