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Old 12-20-2007, 17:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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dear Ucar,
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In my perception, the Turkish political system can be summarised as a Preatorian Democracy. The system and the elites need, even require imagined or real threats in order to justify its continued existence. PKK is a reality for our every day lives. How an end, at least a plan to end can not be realized is a taboo in Turkey. It is safe to discuss it in public, read it on newspaper, but it is NOT safe to direct such questions to members of the ruling elite. There is an official reality, and a perceived reality which is immediately distorted by official channels in order not to create a question "Why?" in people's mind. If you are given the answer before you ask the question, you simply do not ask it anymore.
dont you think this theory is also a conspiracy theory especially when taken care to dear Big K's first post in the topic which is
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Alexander the Great asked Aristo how to dominate people that live on the lands that he conquered?
1- exile persons of prominence?
2- jail them?
3- kill them?

answer of Aristo

1- they will regroup and make a revolt against you
2- your prisons will be home of militant and will go out of control
3- next generation will grow with hatred and shake your throne...

and heres the Aristo's solution:

"saw the seeds of discord,
when they fight eachother impose yourself as arbitrator,
clog the roads leading to the agreement"...


heres the situation in Iraq!
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Turkey has suffered succcessive national traumas as a result of coups by successive military generals, and has been very successfully transformed into an apolitical country. Turkey has not faced this reality. The people responsible for such traumas are generally regarded as "great men".

The average Turkish citizen is ignorant of world affairs, heavily doctrinated, and educated well in material sciences and little to none in branches of social sciences. Thus, we have an extremely self-centric notion of reality, where all manner of actions by other countries are perceived as a threat to the existence of the nation, or the sovereignty or the country. For a Turk, national history -what little of it is revealed- ends with Ataturk's death in 1938. We are a nation whose past and identity has been cerefully and purposefully destroyed.
these are vey true and facts I have never wanted to tell loudly.we all know thes indeed.maybe I am a apolitized guy as well

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Successive Turkish governments have repeatedly announced that they would accept only a unitary Iraq. In saying this, nobody imagined that the unitary Iraq would contain a KRG. Turkish rulers imagined that unitary meant what it meant in Turkey.

Naturally, this binds other alternatives in foreign policy and alternative approaches. Now, we can not "openly" move in a friendly manner towards the KRG because it undermines what was said earlier. Therefore, we are forced to revert to backdoor channels with reduced effect. Even if we wanted to establish tangible links with the KRG via Baghdad government, this would create immeasurable problems in domestic politics.
that is because we are not the ones who produce new politics and/or politics but a imitator, cut producer.we have to change and think whether we do the right things or we do the things right.
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