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Old 11-03-2007, 16:29 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I certainly do not support the President's childish rhetoric. He can not wipe off a country just by threatening to do so. You should also understand this.
Well, it certainly doesn't look good when someone makes a threat and also is actively acquiring means to carry out that threat.

It's one thing if I yell I want to kill you and your family. But it's quite another if I'm yelling such a statement, and then looking around to buy a gun.

Perhaps Iran should remove a childish president and install someone more mature and responsible in his place.

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And Israel itself is no angel. It is a threat hanging over all the Arab nations whenever a major conflageration arises over the Palestine Issue in the Middle East. (Remember: The massive air power it used in 1967 war.)
Look at the map. Look at how much strategic depth Israel has vs. that of the surrounding Arab nations. Look at the population count. Israel was outnumbered 30 to 1, probably more today. They got wind of an imminent attack and did their best to protect their people. Do you deny there was a plan by the 5 or 6 Arab powers surrounding Israel to attack in 1967? Has Israel invaded Syria, Jordan, or Egypt since 1980? No. The only nation they invaded was Lebanon and that was because a bunch of terrorists kept lobbing rockets over.

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US Still has nukes. Doesn't it? All the other signatories of NPT have? The countries that feel insecure are pursuing them.
Do you know what the word "proliferate" means? Do you know what the phrase "non-proliferate" means?

NPT doesn mean all nuclear powers will disarm all of their weapons. It means the signatories will not pursue further development of nuclear weapons.

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The IAEA people are professionals. They know up to what level a nuclear programme is civilian... and at what stage it become military in nature. They judged the timeframe from the speed with which the Iranians are pursuing their programme. They still have to install those P2 (advanced level) centrifuges to build nuclear weapons. They still do not have them.
Well, then, Iran should have no problem with a couple of reactors run by the IAEA. They are professionals. And they will make sure the reactors are used to generate power rather than gather nuclear material for bombs.

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The other major point of disagreement between us was the figure of the defence budget. You may be right as you have referred a link. My statement was based on my previous knowledge. I remember I read it somewhere. Anyway, thanks for the correction.
I understand your point. We have a staggering defense budget. But look at the GDP of Iran. It's about $178 billion. Do you know what the state budget for California is for this year? $160+ billion!!! That's just a single state, albeit the largest state in the union (people, not land area). We spend a lot of money on everything because things are expensive.
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