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Originally Posted by Ishapore41
That Iraq is a failure? That it has cost us more money and lives that expected? Way more infact. Its a properly placed label as that is what they are, neo-conservatives. I guess Bill Kristol has no idea what he is talking about when he refers to himself and others like him as neo-conservatives.
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If you're gonna talk about neo-cons you'd better know what you're talking about. Forget the label. Iraq isn't about labels. It's about US vital interests and involves geopolitical issues which you apparently aren't interested in. The cost in money and lives is unfortunate and weighs heavy on everyone who supports the war. But failure in Iraq, if it ever comes, will be because of people like you who have no understanding of what we're fighting for. To you it all money and bodycounts.
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I believe that when you are wrong, you need to admit it. Stop trying to make me look like a coward. Thats a fools game and what you are doing is engaging in a harsh, below the belt discussion.
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Of course, when you're wrong, you admit it. But who is defining wrong here?
You are. I wasn't trying to make you look like a coward, but you do wear your belt awfully high.
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Ronald Reagan put troops in Lebanon and said he'd never turn tail and run. Later on, the barracks were attacked and Reagan pulled troops out. He wrote in his memoirs that even though he said he'd never turn tail and run, he didn't understand just how irrational the people in that part of the world are. He changed his policy to suit reality.
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Although the context was entirely different when Reagan pulled out of Lebanon, I'll give you that one, if you'll expound on all the wars we fought to the end and all the times we didn't pull out. I agreed with RR on that pullout because we weren't there to fight, but to act as intermediaries and there was no clear target to retaliate against. But keep in mind that we remained off shore and intervened with aircraft and ship fire.