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Old 09-10-2007, 00:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
Dwarven Pirate
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The two positions dont really seem all that much at odds to me. Petraeus saying "we are suppressing violence more easily, but the Iraqis are not making any progress", and Biden just saying that "so long as the Iraqis think we will continue to suppress the violence, they will continue to drag their feet".

Seems like letting the Iraqis think we are going to pull out might serve as a good swift kick in the pants, whether we actually follow through or not.

(People keep talking about victory and defeat in Iraq, but Im not sure what they mean. To me, victory would be the Iraqis creating a solid nation that didnt require outside peace-keepers. How can you really have a plan to institute this? Maybe all you can do is goad them continually.)
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