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Originally Posted by Ray
Thank you.
Indians are super, in all spheres, I presume if one goes by your post.
Apart from being slingshot savvy, being low tech!
Pattons must be sure real poor in quality even though it was the latest at that time with the original paint still on!
The US sure sold a lemon to the Pakistanis! 
I can't believe that the US was inferior to UK tech. But if you say so, who am I to contest?
Maybe Patton's acclaim was because of the age old US art of hype and hyperbole!
You would know better!
India may buy the US F 16. I sure hope the Indian govt is not sold a lemon like Pakistan has seen over the ages! |
Brigadier that was uncalled for.
Are you claiming the average Pakistani and Indian in 1965 were as technically proficent as the average American or Britisher?
The Pattons were defeated for a number of reasons
A- The crews were not skilled in using the ballistic computers
B- they were firing on the Shermans but being fired on by the Centurions
C- They were attacking a dug in enemy
D- the Patton M-47 was junk, and the M-48 while an improvement still had lighter armor and a weaker gun than the Centurion.
E- Pakistani commanders did not show flair or boldness on the attack
Prior to Assal Uttar however the Pattons did great work repulsing the Indian attack in the battle of Chawinda stopping 11 corps advance on Lahore and forcing the Indians over onto the defensive.
M-47 Patton 46 tons, 48km/h, M-36 90mm gun, maximum armor 101mm, poor ballistic shaping, large size (big target), but good power to weight 17.7-1
Weight 46 tonnes combat ready
Length 8.51 m
Width 3.51 m
Height 3.35 m
M-48 Patton 45 tons, M68 90mm gun, 110mm maximum armor, good ballsitic shaping, poor power to weight ration 13.3-1, high top speed 48km/h, huge size (really big target)
Weight M48: 45 tonnes combat ready
Length 9.3 m
Width 3.65 m
Height 3.1 m
Centurion 51 tons, maximum armor 152mm (50% more than the M-47), 20 pounder OQF or 105mm L-7 gun, low power to weight ratio 13-1, compact size (smaller target), slow 34km/h
Weight 51 long tons (52 tonnes )
Length 25 ft (7.60 m)
Width 11 ft 1 in (3.39 m)
Height 9 ft 10.5 in (3.01 m)
AMX-13 excellent 75mmL/70 gun, small size (very small target) 60km/h top speed, light armor 40mm maximum
Weight 13.7 tonnes empty/14.5 tonnes combat
Length 4.88 m (gun forward: 6.36 m)
Width 2.51 m
Height 2.35 m
As can be seen the Indian tanks were not outclassed by any means. In fact except for speed the Centurion had the important advantages of better armor, better gun, smaller target size. Even the much maligned AMX-13 could destroy a Patton at range.