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Originally Posted by soutie
never read the book ,but was,nt san tu or whatever his name was defeated in battle cos he did,nt read his own book 
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Soutie,
I hadn't heard that before, however, I'd offer that many great historical and art of war authors tasted defeat on the battlefield and then went on to develop their own very influential and comprehensive writings - Thucydides and Machiavelli come to mind.