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I'm all for ANY strategy that produces victory, and all I'm pointing out is that the Democrats are in favor of NO strategy that will produce it.
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and what of your continual calls for keeping troops indefinitely in iraq, and lambasting any thought of possible withdrawal? it may very well be that the democrats have not come up with a strategy that will produce victory; but then again, neither have the republicans. but a lack of a winning strategy does not mean that the dems are actively looking for a losing one, either.
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I never said, and never WOULD say, that Republican policy has been flawless. So stop setting this up as me saying that if you're not 100% behind every Republican policy you're a traitor. I never said that; I never would.
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good. so, then, why are you painting those who would have the temerity to vote dem as somehow happy as all hell that american troops are dying?
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But I notice that you weren't denying that Democrats HAVE done some screwing-over of the US for political gain. Because really, you couldn't defend that proposition.
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why should i deny it, when such has happened? on the flip side of the coin, you can't, and couldn't, defend the proposition that republicans HAVEN'T done some screwing-over of the US for political gain.
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What I DO say is that Democrat policy has been defeatist and explicitly anti-US.
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and this is what i am against, if not on ideological grounds, then at least on common-sense grounds: there is hardly an unified democratic policy, with hillary clinton's policy on iraq differing rather dramatically from say, kucinch's or lieberman's.
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But it was always in pursuit of VICTORY, and NOT of the domestic political kind, the only kind the Democrats give a dam' about.
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ah, i see. so when the administration slapped down gen. shinseki's assertion of the number of troops needed, and when they slapped down the hundred-billion dollar estimate of the war, and when they told americans that the war would be a cakewalk, it was indeed in pursuit of VICTORY, and not political advantage.
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That's not the best, but I believe it was you who said:
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if ANYONE said that i was pleased or found it politically advantageous to see our boys dying in iraq, i'd do my best to kick his face in, MSgt or no.
Yep; there it is, first post you made in this thread.
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sir, i think by now you know me for a pretty rational fellow. that i made such a statement only goes to show how sensitive i am to this; you're talking to a guy who volunteers his time to go help out vets.
however, i'll gladly admit i was wrong here and i retract what i said out of anger. i extend my apologies to you, MSgt.
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And I believe this war has continued this long exactly because the Democratic Party has given our enemies a reason to hang in there just another day, just one more election, because they're THIS CLOSE to winning; as soon as a Democratic administration is inaugurated, maybe sooner, with a Democratically-controlled Congress, eager to lose as fast as possible.
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balderdash. do you think al-qaeda really cares who's in charge? do you think sunni nationalists and shi'ite militia-members would simply say "well, too hard of a job; time to pack it in"? insurgencies have lasted decades, with both sides showing no give. humans are stubborn animals.
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Who do you think Code Pink votes for, genius? How 'bout Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, the whole crowd of loonies that make up anti-war marches? You think THOSE are loyal Americans, eager to see American troops win through to victory?
Or are we likely to see them every evening outside Walter Reed Hospital, jeering and cursing at the wounded troops that have to pass by them and their sick placards as they go out to see a movie, or go bowling or have a meal with their families?
Who do you think they vote for, hm?
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and for every code-pink member and loony, how many more are red-blooded americans who patriotically serve in our armed forces? what percentage of the democratic party are made up of these loonies, and how many are average americans? just because the democratic party has these loonies, does not mean that they make up the entirety of the party.