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Originally Posted by astralis
bluesman,
funny, considering i'm not even a registered dem anymore.
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Bully for YOU, then.
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what i am tired of is how you continue to insist that following any other strategy other than the one bush outlines is stupid at best and outright traitorous at worst.
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Find me ONE INSTANCE of me saying that. I'm not on record anywhere of saying anything remotely like that; I'm all for ANY strategy that produces victory, and all I'm pointing out is that the Democrats are in favor of NO strategy that will produce it.
So jam it, dickhead.
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i can't even say how many times the republicans have screwed over our boys over there for political advantage.
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I'll just BET you can't.
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everything from too few troops, to a nonexistent security plan for two, almost three long years, dismissing the insurgency, alienating our allies, craptastic treatment of veterans...it sure as hell does not cut it with me that the dems, and the dems alone, have screwed the US over for political advantage.
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You're not understanding, or you're being obtuse.
I never said, and never WOULD say, that Republican policy has been flawless. So stop setting this up as me saying that if you're not 100% behind every Republican policy you're a traitor. I never said that; I never would.
But I notice that you weren't denying that Democrats HAVE done some screwing-over of the US for political gain. Because really, you couldn't defend that proposition.
What I DO say is that Democrat policy has been defeatist and explicitly anti-US.
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republicans, to a greater degree- for it was a republican administration in power, and for a long time, with a republican congress- that have landed us in our current situation. again, as i said in the other thread, even if american domestic support was more ironclad, would that make the conditions on the ground in iraq any better than it is today?
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This thread isn't ABOUT Republicans, what they've done, what they've failed to do. Have they made mistakes? Oh, HELL yes; LOTS, and BAD ones, too. But it was always in pursuit of VICTORY, and NOT of the domestic political kind, the only kind the Democrats give a dam' about.
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and if you can't admit THAT, you're a damn fool or a damn liar, sir.
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I haven't lied once, not a single time. Quote it if you can find it.
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and that is the entire problem with you, bluesman.
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Nah; THAT isn't my problem, although I've got a few more.
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by god, you said that you were perfectly alright with tony blair, because he knows what the goddamn problem is and what needs solving. well, you're talking to a social liberal (or rather, libertarian) who is a hawk, who supports both military operations, and who loves his country, and the best you can come up with is a schoolyard challenge?
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That's not the best, but I believe it was you who said:
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Originally Posted by astralis
if ANYONE said that i was pleased or found it politically advantageous to see our boys dying in iraq, i'd do my best to kick his face in, MSgt or no.
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Yep; there it is, first post you made in this thread.
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who benefits from this? al-qaeda must be laughing all the way to his mosque.
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And I believe this war has continued this long exactly because the Democratic Party has given our enemies a reason to hang in there just another day, just one more election, because they're THIS CLOSE to winning; as soon as a Democratic administration is inaugurated, maybe sooner, with a Democratically-controlled Congress, eager to lose as fast as possible.
And can you imagine WHY it is that John Q. Iraqi won't help us anymore than he's already doing, with Senator Barack Hussein Obama (Laughingstock, Illinois) declaring that the post-defeat genocide ain't our problem?
You say you support the operations in Iraq? Can you even conceive WHY what the Democrats have done to-date is likely to see us defeated there? Do you imagine that the Democrats in power don't KNOW that?
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it damn well is, and i've argued it many a time with you. not that i think it is getting through; you've already convinced yourself that anyone who ever pulls a democrat lever is nothing more than a traitor.
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Who do you think Code Pink votes for, genius? How 'bout Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, the whole crowd of loonies that make up anti-war marches? You think THOSE are loyal Americans, eager to see American troops win through to victory?
Or are we likely to see them every evening outside Walter Reed Hospital, jeering and cursing at the wounded troops that have to pass by them and their sick placards as they go out to see a movie, or go bowling or have a meal with their families?
Who do you think they vote for, hm?
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so, bluesman, how many times are you going to try to paint me, or for that matter, the entirety of the democratic party as a bunch of hippies?
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I acknowledge that SOME of the Democrats wear suits. Happy now?
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how many times are you going to call dems traitors, and in so doing all but advocate for an one-party state?
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Oh, I'm not the one advocating a one-party state, that's usually a Democratic talking point. No, I just wish we could have two PRO-American parties, not just one.
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because we shouldn't deal with traitors, let alone put them on the political scene. we shoot them.
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Well, I'm not quite there, because I'm not Janet Reno.
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well, how about it, blues?
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Name the time, and I'll make myself available.