Originally Posted by astralis

bluesman,



funny, considering i'm not even a registered dem anymore. what i am tired of is how you continue to insist that following any other strategy other than the one bush outlines is stupid at best and outright traitorous at worst.

i can't even say how many times the republicans have screwed over our boys over there for political advantage. everything from too few troops, to a nonexistent security plan for two, almost three long years, dismissing the insurgency, alienating our allies, craptastic treatment of veterans...it sure as hell does not cut it with me that the dems, and the dems alone, have screwed the US over for political advantage. republicans, to a greater degree- for it was a republican administration in power, and for a long time, with a republican congress- that have landed us in our current situation. again, as i said in the other thread, even if american domestic support was more ironclad, would that make the conditions on the ground in iraq any better than it is today?

and if you can't admit THAT, you're a damn fool or a damn liar, sir.



and that is the entire problem with you, bluesman. by god, you said that you were perfectly alright with tony blair, because he knows what the goddamn problem is and what needs solving. well, you're talking to a social liberal (or rather, libertarian) who is a hawk, who supports both military operations, and who loves his country, and the best you can come up with is a schoolyard challenge?

who benefits from this? al-qaeda must be laughing all the way to his mosque.



it damn well is, and i've argued it many a time with you. not that i think it is getting through; you've already convinced yourself that anyone who ever pulls a democrat lever is nothing more than a traitor.



so, bluesman, how many times are you going to try to paint me, or for that matter, the entirety of the democratic party as a bunch of hippies? how many times are you going to call dems traitors, and in so doing all but advocate for an one-party state? because we shouldn't deal with traitors, let alone put them on the political scene. we shoot them.

well, how about it, blues?