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Bluesman, while I agree with you as far as Iraq goes. The Lebanon war was an Israeli defeat. The IDF failed to reach the Litani river by ground making repeated mistakes like 1- driving tanks up the center of exposed narrow valleys without any type of over watch. 2- Trying to blitzx through a fortifed belt leaving enemy bastions astride the penetration. 3- Not realizing soon enough that Hezzbollah units not only could not retreat, but would not.
Not having any strategic depth Hezzbollah chose instead to fight on the fontier betting correclty that they could kill enough IDF personel to claim victory.
Israel was defeated, beaten like a bad dog, and by Arabs. Other than Egypt in the first part of 73 or the Western modelled Jordanians no Arab had ever stood up to the IDF. Hezzbollah not only stood up to the IDF, but traded losses nearly 1-1, fought harder, and made sucessfull use of a war plan that all but negated the IDF's air and armor advantage.
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