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Old 07-16-2007, 08:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by S-2 View Post
I invite you to join the "Swift Sword" camp of dissemblance. That salafism/wahabbism run rife in S.A. is of little doubt. That the S.A. extended royal family may have had a "hidden" hand in the development and distraction of Saudi-based extremist ideology, particularly during the Soviet-Afghan war is clear.

But despite the reasonable assumption that the S.A. royal family may have over-played their desire to project these radical undesirables elsewhere, I've yet to see any indication by Swift Sword, you, or anybody else of the active participation of agencies of the Saudi kingdom in the recruiting, arming, training, and facilitation of movement to the Iraqi war-zone with the expressed intent of engaging our forces.

Care to weigh your patchwork quilt of innuendo against the amassed evidence directly pointed at the al-Quds elements within Pasdaran? I reinterate that both of you need to explicitly separate the effect of a trans-national pan-Islamic movement from the activities of state-sponsored terrorism. To date I've not seen the same compelling linkages which are so readily apparent with Iran.

Finally, your article fails to account for fully 30% of the foreign insurgents within Iraq. Who are they-Americans, Brits, and others from the west? If so, are these nations (including my own) encouraging aspiring irhabists citizens to the Iraqi killing fields?

Hmmm...Didn't GWB say something about fighting them there so that we don't have to fight them here? Seems like everybody agrees, including the Saudis, and are donating their resident miscreants to the slaughterhouse. I guess that must be working, eh?
I don't have any facts to lump SA and the AQ fighters into that kind of relationship today, with respect to Saudis in Iraq; I was hoping someone here might have an enlightening article or reference or knowledge some kind about the situation. The LATimes article above definitely implies a relationship, noting past SA-mujahedin relations, for example. But that there exists a "tangled web of alliances and enmities that underlie the political relations between Muslim nations and the U.S." I think is probably a fair assumption, and because of this its worth questioning SA's efforts to keep its people from causing trouble for Americans and Iraqis. There's been a big hubbub about Iranians in Iraq, but more of them are Saudis. Still, the US can't control its own borders, so I can't assume complacency or mal-intent.

However the recent events with Saudi endorsement of the unity government in Palestine, its condemnation of the US occupation, and its problems at home, all of these make the picture even more fuzzy. The Americans say "The Saudis are doing a great deal" to stop fighters from heading to Iraq, the Iraqis say "The Saudis aren't doing jack-squat." Meanwhile the Saudis appear most sheepish (or is it guilty? incompetent?) and say "Who's helping Saudis into Iraq?"
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