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Originally Posted by Jimmy
Nobody in their right mind is gonna go into a turning fight with a full load of A2G ordnance/drop tanks.
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Never said anything to the contrary.
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If anything that's an advantage in that situation, because if you ARE going into a turning fight you can dump the extra weight. And its the weight that has the greatest impact, not the aerodynamics.
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Not so much an advantage as if you could carry that same fuel internally.
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How exactly do you think radar lock is broken? If yanking the joystick hard (so to speak, hurrr) is all that did it, I wouldnt suck so bad at Falcon 4.0.
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Really guys you make it sound as though BVR combat is all about sitting pretty in your fancy fighter and firing shots off into the air. My guess would be that its a lot more complicated than that - as an attacker, you'd probly need to suddenly increase speeds and gain energy to reduce closure after detection of targets, then engage, manouver and then disengage - all at pretty high speeds.
AGain, God forbid, if you find yourself on the receiving end and your RWR/MAWS lights up - you may have to do some fancy manouvering to get out of the situation (break lock/detection) - for example by doing a beaming manouver or even reduce speeds.
IOW, you don't have to be get into "a turning fight" but still have to maintain a very good ability to turn and burn to execute BVR tactics . If as you point out, the EFTs will be shed, you realize that also means that your ability to reengage will probly be lost and your mission might very well be a failure.
My point is, there is a lot of high speed manouvering involved in BVR and EFTs/ordinance will come in the way unless dumped, which is where the Flanker series enjoys a pretty good advantage apart from its huge fuel capacity.
GOing back to the original context, all of this if you go back a few posts is related to the idea that the ability of the typhoon to supercruise
with EFTs is going to be of any
direct use in BVR tactics. It was my reply to 'Hello' that Tin Man refuted by pointed out that EFTs/ordinance does not have much impact on the drag/TWR of the typhoon since it can supercruise with them.
My point is quite simple really - in many a BVR type scenario, your ability to supercruise with EFTs is hardly going to matter cause you'll probly have to shed the load. IOW, while such a load might not have a drag/weight penalty while cruising, it could be a bane in combat.
REgards,
USS.