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JAD_333 · 07-09-2007, 19:22 PM

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nabil:

I like you and I can see you are sincere; your English is fine, but I find you do not answer questions objectively and you take examples out of context.

For example, I asked you: "What happens to Iraq if we leave? What do you think?"

This is your answer: [I]Geez dude I've already yelled this in italics. didn't you read it?? I'll say it again: I NEVER SAID US FORCES SHOULD LEAVE, at least not right away and certainly not en masse.[/i]

You took my question wrongly and then didn't answer it.

Then there's this imaginary conversation which would have been around 2002 after 9/11 that I invented in response to you to illustrate that the US going into Iraq wasn't to create a democratic government there, but to protect US interests in the region:

"No. The conversation was more like this: "It's in our interest to see a stable ME. Where do we start? Iraq? Saddam is a proven threat to Middle East stability; he's unpredictable; he's liable to get into bed with AQ to further their terrorism activities as a way of getting to us. These bomb attacks on our embassies, ships and buildings are getting worse and have to stop. AQ's goal is to unite the ME into a single entity under strict Islamic law. They want to wipe out any vestigages of western influence and to use ME oil reserves to wreak havoc on the US economy. It won't stop even if we kill Bin Ladin. We have to act soon. Make plans for taking out Saddam and creating a stable Iraq.""

This is how your responded: I hope you are making that up, because if you're not, then the people you have in charge are uninformed to the point of being criminal or incompetent to the point teetering on disaster. Saddam and AQ?? you're still at that??? Are you people crazy???

Do you know the Arabic saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

AQ and Saddam? Maybe not then, but who knows; when a cat is cornered it becomes a tiger.

Here is what I said to illustrate the difference in Iraq and US political culture after you said it was food not democracy Iraqis want:

...the US grew out the basic sentiment expressed by the revolutionary patriot Thomas Paine, who said, "give me liberty or give me death." "

This is how you responded: yes, I am familiar with the saying. Again like I said, it is not the job of the US or anybody else to jam it down people's throats. Thomas Payne and his fellow patriots said it out of their own violition against their tyrant, it was not forced on them by a foreign power

There was absolutely nothing said about jamming it down anyone's throat. It was just an illustration anyone could have agreed to without conceding anything.

If I seem cold in my views, it is only because I try as best I can to see the situation from all sides, to understand all arguments and to accept reality. In my heart, I hope that the war will end very soon and that all Iraqis will come together to create a great nation safe for their children and at peace with the world.

07-09-2007, 19:22 PM	#31 (permalink)
JAD_333 *Defense Professional* Join Date: 04-15-07 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,160 Country:	[quote=nabilfannoush;388521 nabil: I like you and I can see you are sincere; your English is fine, but I find you do not answer questions objectively and you take examples out of context. For example, I asked you: "What happens to Iraq if we leave? What do you think?" This is your answer: [I]Geez dude I've already yelled this in italics. didn't you read it?? I'll say it again: I NEVER SAID US FORCES SHOULD LEAVE, at least not right away and certainly not en masse.[/i] You took my question wrongly and then didn't answer it. Then there's this imaginary conversation which would have been around 2002 after 9/11 that I invented in response to you to illustrate that the US going into Iraq wasn't to create a democratic government there, but to protect US interests in the region: "No. The conversation was more like this: "It's in our interest to see a stable ME. Where do we start? Iraq? Saddam is a proven threat to Middle East stability; he's unpredictable; he's liable to get into bed with AQ to further their terrorism activities as a way of getting to us. These bomb attacks on our embassies, ships and buildings are getting worse and have to stop. AQ's goal is to unite the ME into a single entity under strict Islamic law. They want to wipe out any vestigages of western influence and to use ME oil reserves to wreak havoc on the US economy. It won't stop even if we kill Bin Ladin. We have to act soon. Make plans for taking out Saddam and creating a stable Iraq."" This is how your responded: I hope you are making that up, because if you're not, then the people you have in charge are uninformed to the point of being criminal or incompetent to the point teetering on disaster. Saddam and AQ?? you're still at that??? Are you people crazy??? Do you know the Arabic saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?" AQ and Saddam? Maybe not then, but who knows; when a cat is cornered it becomes a tiger. Here is what I said to illustrate the difference in Iraq and US political culture after you said it was food not democracy Iraqis want: ...the US grew out the basic sentiment expressed by the revolutionary patriot Thomas Paine, who said, "give me liberty or give me death." " This is how you responded: yes, I am familiar with the saying. Again like I said, it is not the job of the US or anybody else to jam it down people's throats. Thomas Payne and his fellow patriots said it out of their own violition against their tyrant, it was not forced on them by a foreign power There was absolutely nothing said about jamming it down anyone's throat. It was just an illustration anyone could have agreed to without conceding anything. If I seem cold in my views, it is only because I try as best I can to see the situation from all sides, to understand all arguments and to accept reality. In my heart, I hope that the war will end very soon and that all Iraqis will come together to create a great nation safe for their children and at peace with the world. __________________ To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education. (Plato)