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Originally Posted by nabilfannoush
Nothing's wrong with that, except for the horrendous number of people that's getting killed, exodused and subjected to ethnic genocide . Since we've already established that the 'good of the Iraqi people' here is virtually nil, we can see this is only for the presumed 'interest' by some ambitious careerists in Washington who have no respect for the sanctity of other people's lives as long as it is done on someone else's turf. And, no, there's no room for worrying about voting, government representation , democracyand other noble-sounding quests if you do not even have the basic amenities of life and survival.What's the point?
I'm glad you find the Hitler analogy offensive, because that is exactly my point: You cannot use your ideals or 'interests'-however noble they seem to you-on other people. If I was a warlord and decided that my political or religious or system was better than yours and that 'for your own good' and 'my interest in the area' and that I should invade the US and stop you 'for the greater good' regardless of how many civilians I manage to get killed on the way you would probably be singing a different tune, and rightfully so, and please don't tell me that your case is 'different' because it's 'better'; it is not a call for the US or any one nation to make on its own just because it's better armed. If you do not believe that the US owns the planet, then you should believe that the US have no right to police the world according to the Agenda and say-so of whoever happens to be in the oval office of the time, otherwise what are the UN, NATO, the Hague Tribunal and other acknowledged world administration bodies for?
That doesn't affect the US troops in any way in my mind. I do not hold them responsible for bad decisions made by criminally uninformed hacks in washington, and of course their folks back home like you should support them. It's awful the way that good loyal americans are being sent to kill and die for the most awful reasons. Americans are starting to see it and the damnfool administration causing it is less popular than ever. The merits I have discusses already above and there's no point repeating myself.
Regardless of all that: IT-IS-NOT-WORKING
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Your view is interesting because it gives an insight of what is the feeling 'on the other side of the hill'. Such inputs, to my mind, does help in clearing the kinks in one's own thoughts.
It is true that many are being killed and many are leaving Iraq, which was their home because of the utter chaotic conditions that is prevailing in Iraq.
But is it genocide?
If you feel it is genocide, then so be it. But, I am sure you will agree that it is NOT the US which is perpetuating the genocide. The mindless killing is an All Moslem affair, where the Sunnis are killing the Shias and the Shias are killing the Sunnis. Logically, it is the Iraqis themselves who are "genociding" themselves! If one looks at it impartially, it is the US, which is trying to stop it and not getting the act right.
One could say that it was the US invasion that created the atmosphere for this 'genocide', though I prefer to use the word 'fratricide'. And anyway, if the US was not there, Saddam would be at it as he was at it before - killing the Shias whenever he had a bad dream!
However, having observed that the Iraqis are rather wayward, maybe Saddam was the only answer to keep them in their place!
I am with you that all these high moral slogan like "Freedom and Democracy" is hogwash and a mere smokescreen. The real reason is strategic. It was to ensure that there was a base in the Middle East so that reaction would be less expensive as also the presence of a US force would be a deterrent to non friendly nation wanting to challenge US hegemony and its pristine position as the sole superpower. You could read Cheney's "Defence Policy Guidance" (DPG) which was prepared by Paul Wolfowitz, who was the then Under Secretary of Defence. That contains the tenets that backdrop US intervention/ invasion in Iraq.
Even if the US withdraws, the autonomous Kurd Region would require US presence it guarantee its existence. Thus, the US is guaranteed its base. It will be ideal to keep pressure to the South, on Iran and Syria as also on the Central Asian Republics and indirectly squeezing Russia at its underbelly. Iraq at peace or at war, suits the US interests admirably, if the DPG is taken as the Bible.
Iraq may anger non Americans, but from the American standpoint, it was a master stroke! Yes, it was brilliant, even if morally incorrect, but then when was there any question of morals in international politics?
As for Americans dying because of political hacks (as you put it), they say that a huge price has to be paid for ensuring Freedom. Please note, the freedom being spoken about is not the Freedom of Iraqis, but the Freedom of Americans to pursue their national interest.