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Originally Posted by GGTharos
And this is basically BS - while basically true, he neglects to mention that when all you can see is the edges, your range is cut down 5-8 fold from a rear aspect with afterburner. On a good day.
And that's /without/ the active IR supression system of the F-22 ... so you see, /yes/ you /can/ do something about the temperature and it /has/ been done. The F-22 was designed with the fact that Su-27's and MiG-29's have always had IRSTs
... The OLS might be 'different' to you, but its means of target detection is essentially the same.
The USAF has already been looking at systems like this - there's plenty of false positives last I heard about it, though these missile detectors are being mounted on large aircraft ... mostly to detect *launch flashes*. In other words, you're exaggerating the capabilities of the OLS.
What do you mean overrated? Maybe the F-22 + AIM-120 combination -is- that lethal. And if its ends up being 'only 90%', so what?  |
I think you didnt understand what designer said. To me it sound like this,
If OLS is looking for F-22 which will use heat supression system then we will see his wings and body on very close distance. I think it would be something like 10 or less km. Nothing impressive but what other aircraft (even F-22 can see F-22 from its tail on 10km?)
If it goes against aircraft without suppression IR then it will detect aircraft on 15km or more.
Hm well US could done many testing but fact is USSR invest much more time and money in IRST. And from what hear our pilots on Mig-29 evade couple of AIM-120 just thanks to IRST (radar was malfunction before bombing begin on many Mig-29) if our "falling apart" migs could do that what you expect about state of the art Mig-35 (TVC and 360 OLS).
Russian test their system with their missiles. System is working. I dont see why it wouldnt work. US will do anything to prove that F-22 is so superior to any other aircaft. It is true. But problem is missiles for F-22. AIM-120 arent match for F-22 maybe meteor (but it is much bigger missile).
What I want to say is that you can computer simulated missile firing against flying trucks like old F series jets (15,16,18,Super 18) but it is total different situation when you try it against flying ferraris (Su-30 and Mig-35).So US need real firing against F-22(because F-22 is only US plane with similar maneuver capabilities as Su and Migs) I belive this can be done but F-22 need active its radar(AIM-120 need to track something) and need to know always position of AIM1-120 (OLS knew always AIM position) and then if F-22 can evade AIM or couple of AIM we can say AIM isnt good weapon for F-22. What is benefit from superb fighter if its AIM cant take down agile Russian jets.
Are this tests done? No. Why? Because AIM will miss and US dont want that. I am sure that you dont know that our pilots (majority survive) last for couple of minutes in mig-29 with odds 20:1. But this data you will never hear of read on pro western military TV or site. In same manner I watch Discovery and there where program "World best fighters" It was filmed after 2000. There was F-117 (it isnt fighter) and they said such nice things about that bird and who many missions it flies but never they said F-117 was shoot down by old soviet system. USAF objectivity. Dont blame authors of that program they work closely with USAF specialists on making of that program.