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rickusn · 06-17-2007, 10:13 AM

LOL

Feanor your post isnt documentation and it is also mostly untrue.

"Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Kuroyedov earlier made a scandalous statement the sense of which boiled down to the idea that the Pyotr Veliky can blow up at any moment. The Commander-in-Chief later stated, however, that he had been misunderstood. "

See link below for quote source.

Not to mention the incident you apparently know nothing about happened over THREE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Below are examples of my simple efforts to provide documentation on your feeble, piss poor excuse of a post.

If you have more accurate or up-to-date information I AGAIN ask you to provide it as Im most interested.

LOL

I really cant believe you have conned me into defending the Russian Navy. And in particular a KIROV class Cruiser.

LOL

Whod have ever thought?!?!?!?!?!?!

State of the Russian Navy | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces

"183 PETR VELIKIY #189 Baltiiskyy SSZ 1996 NOR
(until 1992 known as Yury Andropov). Keel laid down on April 25, 1986. Launched on April 25, 1989, and first sea trial completed in autumn 1995. The battle cruiser is scheduled to be transferred to the Pacific Fleet. Undergoing sea trials Northern Fleet, Kirov-4. 1999 twice took part in military exercises. 2003 took part in military exercises. Took part in military exercises on Feb 17-18, 2004. 08.2005 took part in military exersises on Northern fleet with President Putin aboard."

Kirov Class - Project 1144

"On 23 March 2004 Russia's navy chief reportedly said that the nuclear-powered Peter the Great missile cruiser, was in such dire condition that it could "explode at any moment" - only to backtrack on his statement a few hours later. Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov said the massive cruiser had been badly maintained and could "explode any moment", adding that "it's especially dangerous because it has a nuclear reactor". Just three hours later, however, Kuroyedov retracted his ominous statement, saying he had been misunderstood by the media. "There is no threat whatsoever to the ship's nuclear safety," he said in a statement. "The ship's nuclear safety is fully guaranteed in line with existing norms." He added that some flaws in maintaining the cruiser's living quarters would be fixed within three weeks, after which the ship would become fully combat-ready.

The Petr Veliki cruiser docked for repair at Roslyakovo starting on 19 April 2004. The ship repairers will clean and paint the submarine part of the ship, repair the armature and examine the steering system. The floating dock PD-50, where the Admiral Kuznetsov had been repaired, was prepared for the flagship of the navy. As of July 2004 the flagship of the Northern Fleet, the Pyotr Veliky, heavy nuclear guided-missile cruiser, fresh from repair, was carrying out missions so as to be in what is called "first-line" readiness in the second half of August 2004."

Russian Navy Problems - CDI RW 2 April 2004

"The Pyotr Veliky, by all accounts, is a cut above the average. Navy insiders reckon that Kuroyedov singled out the Northern Fleet flagship to settle a score with retired Admiral Igor Kasatonov, whose nephew Vladimir Kasatonov just happens to be the ship's commander.

Beyond Russia few realized that Kuroyedov was exaggerating the hazard posed by the Pyotr Veliky. In the West, when the head of the Navy announces that his largest warship could explode, this usually signals immediate danger. Britain and Scandinavia were particularly upset, probably bracing themselves for a sky full of nuclear fallout.

When Kuroyedov realized what a commotion he had created, he began to back off his original statement. The Navy announced that the admiral's remarks were off the record, that the ship's reactors were in good shape and that the only mess on the Pyotr Veliky was in the sailors' living quarters. Kuroyedov told journalists of the explosion threat in a restroom at the Defense Ministry that doubles as a smoking lounge during high-level meetings. He apparently did not realize the impact his words would have.

Kuroyedov has been caught telling tales to the press in the past. After the Kursk sank in 2000, the admiral told reporters that the Navy had proof that a U.S. submarine had sunk the vessel. In the end it was established that Russian negligence, not a U.S. submarine, had sunk the Kursk.

In 2001 a number of admirals were fired because of the Kursk disaster, but not Kuroyedov. President Vladimir Putin seems to have a soft spot for the admiral and chooses not to call him to account for his public misstatements.

This is one of the biggest problems in Putin's Russia. As long as an official is loyal to the president, he can lie and steal without fear of retribution. "

Pravda.RU Pyotr Veliky cruiser to lie up for preventive maintenance

Pyotr Veliky cruiser to lie up for preventive maintenance

14:14 2004-04-20
The check made by the Main Staff of the Navy of Russia revealed a number of substantial shortcomings on the flagship of the Northern Fleet, the Pyotr Veliky heavy nuclear-powered missile-carrying cruiser, a source in the Northern Fleet's Staff said on Monday.

"A week ago a commission of the Main Staff of the Navy under deputy commander of the Navy Mikhail Zakharenko made a check on the Pyotr Veliky to do away with the defects earlier noted by the Navy's Commander-in-Chief. Substantial shortcomings were revealed in the ship organization," the agency's source said.

He noted that the defects concern the organization of service on the ship and of special training. Furthermore, quite a number of the ship's spaces are maintained with a gross violation of the Navy Regulations, the daily routine is upset, and the action stations and service spaces do not meet the requirements set.

The source emphasized that the reactor compartment is the only space to be maintained up to standard.

"The Pyotr Veliky is currently undergoing a dock operation and is to lie up for one month for preventive maintenance," the source said.

According to him, in the course of the preventive maintenance the ship's commanders will have time to establish elementary order in the questions of the duty-watch service and of compliance with the Navy rules.

In the Northern Fleet's Staff they stressed that the flagship must meet the highest requirements.

Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Kuroyedov earlier made a scandalous statement the sense of which boiled down to the idea that the Pyotr Veliky can blow up at any moment. The Commander-in-Chief later stated, however, that he had been misunderstood.

06-17-2007, 10:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
rickusn *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-09-03 Posts: 1,317	LOL Feanor your post isnt documentation and it is also mostly untrue. "Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Kuroyedov earlier made a scandalous statement the sense of which boiled down to the idea that the Pyotr Veliky can blow up at any moment. The Commander-in-Chief later stated, however, that he had been misunderstood. " See link below for quote source. Not to mention the incident you apparently know nothing about happened over THREE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Below are examples of my simple efforts to provide documentation on your feeble, piss poor excuse of a post. If you have more accurate or up-to-date information I AGAIN ask you to provide it as Im most interested. LOL I really cant believe you have conned me into defending the Russian Navy. And in particular a KIROV class Cruiser. LOL Whod have ever thought?!?!?!?!?!?! State of the Russian Navy \| Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces "183 PETR VELIKIY #189 Baltiiskyy SSZ 1996 NOR (until 1992 known as Yury Andropov). Keel laid down on April 25, 1986. Launched on April 25, 1989, and first sea trial completed in autumn 1995. The battle cruiser is scheduled to be transferred to the Pacific Fleet. Undergoing sea trials Northern Fleet, Kirov-4. 1999 twice took part in military exercises. 2003 took part in military exercises. Took part in military exercises on Feb 17-18, 2004. 08.2005 took part in military exersises on Northern fleet with President Putin aboard." Kirov Class - Project 1144 "On 23 March 2004 Russia's navy chief reportedly said that the nuclear-powered Peter the Great missile cruiser, was in such dire condition that it could "explode at any moment" - only to backtrack on his statement a few hours later. Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov said the massive cruiser had been badly maintained and could "explode any moment", adding that "it's especially dangerous because it has a nuclear reactor". Just three hours later, however, Kuroyedov retracted his ominous statement, saying he had been misunderstood by the media. "There is no threat whatsoever to the ship's nuclear safety," he said in a statement. "The ship's nuclear safety is fully guaranteed in line with existing norms." He added that some flaws in maintaining the cruiser's living quarters would be fixed within three weeks, after which the ship would become fully combat-ready. The Petr Veliki cruiser docked for repair at Roslyakovo starting on 19 April 2004. The ship repairers will clean and paint the submarine part of the ship, repair the armature and examine the steering system. The floating dock PD-50, where the Admiral Kuznetsov had been repaired, was prepared for the flagship of the navy. As of July 2004 the flagship of the Northern Fleet, the Pyotr Veliky, heavy nuclear guided-missile cruiser, fresh from repair, was carrying out missions so as to be in what is called "first-line" readiness in the second half of August 2004." Russian Navy Problems - CDI RW 2 April 2004 "The Pyotr Veliky, by all accounts, is a cut above the average. Navy insiders reckon that Kuroyedov singled out the Northern Fleet flagship to settle a score with retired Admiral Igor Kasatonov, whose nephew Vladimir Kasatonov just happens to be the ship's commander. Beyond Russia few realized that Kuroyedov was exaggerating the hazard posed by the Pyotr Veliky. In the West, when the head of the Navy announces that his largest warship could explode, this usually signals immediate danger. Britain and Scandinavia were particularly upset, probably bracing themselves for a sky full of nuclear fallout. When Kuroyedov realized what a commotion he had created, he began to back off his original statement. The Navy announced that the admiral's remarks were off the record, that the ship's reactors were in good shape and that the only mess on the Pyotr Veliky was in the sailors' living quarters. Kuroyedov told journalists of the explosion threat in a restroom at the Defense Ministry that doubles as a smoking lounge during high-level meetings. He apparently did not realize the impact his words would have. Kuroyedov has been caught telling tales to the press in the past. After the Kursk sank in 2000, the admiral told reporters that the Navy had proof that a U.S. submarine had sunk the vessel. In the end it was established that Russian negligence, not a U.S. submarine, had sunk the Kursk. In 2001 a number of admirals were fired because of the Kursk disaster, but not Kuroyedov. President Vladimir Putin seems to have a soft spot for the admiral and chooses not to call him to account for his public misstatements. This is one of the biggest problems in Putin's Russia. As long as an official is loyal to the president, he can lie and steal without fear of retribution. " Pravda.RU Pyotr Veliky cruiser to lie up for preventive maintenance Pyotr Veliky cruiser to lie up for preventive maintenance 14:14 2004-04-20 The check made by the Main Staff of the Navy of Russia revealed a number of substantial shortcomings on the flagship of the Northern Fleet, the Pyotr Veliky heavy nuclear-powered missile-carrying cruiser, a source in the Northern Fleet's Staff said on Monday. "A week ago a commission of the Main Staff of the Navy under deputy commander of the Navy Mikhail Zakharenko made a check on the Pyotr Veliky to do away with the defects earlier noted by the Navy's Commander-in-Chief. Substantial shortcomings were revealed in the ship organization," the agency's source said. He noted that the defects concern the organization of service on the ship and of special training. Furthermore, quite a number of the ship's spaces are maintained with a gross violation of the Navy Regulations, the daily routine is upset, and the action stations and service spaces do not meet the requirements set. The source emphasized that the reactor compartment is the only space to be maintained up to standard. "The Pyotr Veliky is currently undergoing a dock operation and is to lie up for one month for preventive maintenance," the source said. According to him, in the course of the preventive maintenance the ship's commanders will have time to establish elementary order in the questions of the duty-watch service and of compliance with the Navy rules. In the Northern Fleet's Staff they stressed that the flagship must meet the highest requirements. Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Admiral Kuroyedov earlier made a scandalous statement the sense of which boiled down to the idea that the Pyotr Veliky can blow up at any moment. The Commander-in-Chief later stated, however, that he had been misunderstood.