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Old 05-17-2007, 10:56 AM   #91 (permalink)
zraver
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You're forgetting the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. The 2nd Chechnya campaign reflects more, though not even close in actual capability
by 89 when they pulled out the Red Army was shattered to its very core. The officer core was still soild but politcally impotent after the purges of the 70's. The enlisted ranks suffered from the lack of NCO's, 2 year enlistments, battle fatigue, multi-lingualism, nationalist pining for freedom of thier homelands, and lack of future prospects ect all combined to make an Army that was incaqpable of real combat. It was like th Hapsburgs or Czarist Army in 1918. It just didn't have the will to go on anymore. By the time Yeltsin's stand let alone Grozny 1 it was at its weakest point since the defeat by Poland in 1920 and the results showed. The Tula Division the pride of the Kremlin mutinied, in Berlin you saw the wordls largest un-offical arms fair, and in the baltic and and other Republics units simply melted away.

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zraver, I don't think you can compare the Red Army to the Iraq Army because the Iraq Army haven't really shown that they could invade another country, Kuwait being the exception for good reasons
Wih the benifit of Hind sight we can make that comparison. Startin with the purges in the 70's and the passing of the Old Guard from active duty the Red Army went straight to hell. The situation was got so bad that at one point the Army was making 4 different tanks and 5 different sizes of main gun ammo at the same time as the Red Army was divided up into politcal feifdoms for Politburo members.

For all of its size and despite its doctrine and emphaiss on the sconce of war. Actual capabilites were nearly non-existent. Iraq on the other hand had several advantages including unified command, better communications (fiber optics and a single language) better artillery. While the Regular army starved for supplies did indeed surrender (troops under seige always eventually surrender if unable to be releived) the Republican Guard didn't back down they fought with elan.

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as situation at hand shows, mbt, and afv, in iraq get killed not by russian missles, but by simple ied's, and level of equipment and traning of incergents, are far from us, so should you be conserned about kornet's or some other russian weapon?
strap a couple of 152mm shells togeher, or blow up a gasoline tanker and you can put a hole in just about anything.

But in answer to your question with Russia's recent militancy and issues with Poland yes Russian weapons are a concern.
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