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It's your right to suspect, but the fact that the militaries of all those counties were mobolized when the war began, and it began with a pre-emptive surprise attack. This would suggest that these plans to attack were indeed legitimate, and not contingency.
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Mobilised to what degree? If they would be greatly over their peacefull strenght I'd say you have a point. Otherwise not.
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You have me there. But that doesn't prove anything because it doesn't change the fact that the Arabs were planning on destroying Israel. That's why they attacked on Yom Kippur. How can you defend such wicked intentions as to destroy an entire nation?
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I'll tell you why. Because Sadat had no intentions of destroying Israel. He wanted to show his strenght and repeat his peace offer from 1971. He was willing to accept tactical or even operational defeat to achieve strategic victory. and that is what happened. Egypt was defeated on battlefield but got what he proposed in 1971 anyway, return of Sinai, peace with Israel and becoming US ally.
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The civilians moved there at their own accord. And it does make sense for the Israeli government to allow it. A military base establishes your pressence in the region; settlements prove that you're here to stay. Anyway, the Arabs invaded Israel with the intent to destroy it; taking back lost land was secondary. They repeatedly announced that Israel's destruction was the idea. The Israelis are not about to give back lost land won with blood; so the next logical step is to establish permanent settlments. But, as I said, the Israeli settlers made the choice of moving there: Israel is a democratic society where the people have the freedom of choice.
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However those settlements are encouraged and financed by Israeli government which shows that this is deliberate policy. But why would Israel build settlements so close to front? because they have no intention of giving them up, despite claims to contrary.
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You say you do not believe Israel has been justified in recent history, but do you excuse those non-democratic countries that attempted to destroy it?
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No, I don't. Israel is now a fact and that woun't change.
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Who says its their duty? But the world wasn't going to do anything about it (except for France and Britain), and it was conflicting with their (Israel's) interests, let alone the world's. And it is their duty to defend their own interests. Do you excuse the Egyptians closing the canal? Would you excuse the United States doing the same to the Panama Canal?
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Did egypt close the canal or did they just nationalise it?
And speaking of which after 1967 war canal was closed for all. How is that for keeping sea lines open?
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That is not true. The Palestinian attacks before the Iraq war were constant bombings, and the Israelis defend themselves. But you what? They never attempt to full overrun the Gaza Strip: a courtesy that its Arab neigbors never afforded to Israel. Since the Iraq war, the Palestinian bombings have dropped off, but Hezbollah and Hamas remains; they are a threat to Israeli security. And with this last one, Hezbollah started it with the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier.
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I was refering to pre Litani/Peace for Galilee situation in Lebanon.
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Russia has never entered a holy war, in modern history, with the intent of wiping a nation off the face of the Earth.
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No, they just came very close to wiping a nation of the face of the earth. Killing a lot of it's people, dispersing lot of those that remain and lay waste to it.
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Neither has South Africa,
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South Africa had apartheid policy that treated blacks as inferior people. they didn't wipe a nation off the face of the earth, they simply refused to acknowledge that other side is human.
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nor has Pakistan. Bad examples.
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No, Pakistan just created and backed one of nastiest fundo regimes around and ocasionaly sent officers to command them.
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Please tell me you're not one of those people that believe Israel should be dissolved as a nation. And do you have anything against Israel? (just out of curiosity)
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No, Israel is a fact and that woun't change. They have as much right to exist as a nation as Palestinians do (not that Israelis will ever be criticised for refusing to recognise Palestinian right to exist but that's another story). I disagree with a lot of their actions and don't agree with justification behind them.