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Old 09-08-2004, 18:50 PM   #37 (permalink)
Anony
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Originally Posted by visioninthedark
By the way .... I just wanted to point out to Anony ... Jay and Ray are both INDIANS from the great nation of INDIA in Asia.
Oh sorry, about that. I thought Pittsburg, PA (in the USA) and an inscription of what I thought was Hebrew was a giveaway. ( although after a close look i realised it could be malyalam, hindi or sanksriit ?) Anyway nevertheless I hope I made it clear that I am in not in "enemy" mode with the Jews as media stereotypes.

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Originally Posted by Ray
You have a sound argument Anony.

I also concede that most ahve no idea of the Koran.

Do explain how these blokes who have no idea of Koran, know the word 'jihad' and that too not the way you describe it?

Why do they know 'jihad' be it the little or the big (which also they don't know) and not the good stuff? .
There are alot of reasons. Poverty, ignorance, many have gone through experiences me and you just don't understand and may get brainwashed by leaders. I was watching this program in Al Jazeera where a sheikh from al azhar mosque said that applied islam was in serious need of reform.

Thinking about it, Islam as it is now , would NEVER have raised any great empires in the past if it was practised as it is today . So I can only say that as the years past the applied part of Islam only became clouded and more corrupted and as that sheikh said in need of reform. After the Prophet Muhammed died, there was an election to chose the next muslim leader, but it was done with the votes coming from the representatives of the various tribes not by individuals like nowdays. Now look at all the wonderful dictators 'Islamic' countries have. Everything had gone wrong.

Many people nowdays think that Islam is about marrying 4 wives whenever you want, killing any Jew or Christian you see in sight, persecuting women and prisoning them, etc. However these are just examples here and there practised by 'muslims' , and the media is happy to state that is a central part of Islam. However I can never say Catholics are Halocaust advocators because Hitler was a so called "Catholic" and no media with a sane mind would say such a thing. Bad people are around the world from ALL religions, no matter how peaceful a religion is. It is rather unfair to attribute anything done by a small number of people to the religion they belong to.

I am not describing jihad on my own way , that is what is written in the Quran and you can check it any time you want. I was just quoting and I have given the verse numbers too with it. When you look at people living inside war, and living in a society with constant wars, you will know why they interpret it as they will. Its not 100% their fault, but still it doesn't make terrorism right.

Also in my opinion, I don't consider militias in Iraq who solely target American SOLDIERS are terrorists. That is what i call resistance. They are Shias and Sunnis and not Saddam's soldiers. Many of the Americans do have good motives, but you cannot convince any nation , no matter how good your motives are , that you are there to liberate and occupy at the same time. Especially when the initial 'liberation' took away thousands of civilian lives. Conquering Afghanistan and Iraq has many interests to the USA other than stopping global terrorism ( which i don't think can be stopped, where there is a will theres a way, even for killers).

I sencerely support the voices in America that oppose the war on Iraq, especially that they didn't find any substantial WMDs. All that Bush can say after no WMDS were found was that there were reports on " Weapons of mass destruction related program activities". This is no reason to conquer any country.

However I also support the voices in America when they support the war believing sincerely that it is good for the Iraqis, but i think they have to understand that no country spends a large military budget for the good of other countries nowdays. If that was the case, America should focus more on central african countries., which are much easier to conquer and 'libarate;. Or am i wrong?

However hostage takers are what I call true terrorism. And i really don't like it when on the news they say that these are the actions of "Fundamentalist Muslims" . Whoever builds on the Fundamentals of Islam cannot perform such actions, "fanatics" are the true word they should use , without any mention to religion. These things can really destroy relations between Christians, Muslims and Jews around the world who don't know anything about politics and media tricks.

Last edited by Anony : 09-08-2004 at 19:23 PM.
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