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Old 04-08-2007, 13:30 PM   #23 (permalink)
HistoricalDavid
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Originally Posted by Mustafa Kalif View Post
Israel has weapon systems of which only a few know. The fact that you have no knowledge that Israel doesn't possess MOAB explosive devices nor any large cargo planes capable of delivering 21000+ bombs is highly dubious.
Ah yes, the ol' absence of evidence is not evidence of absence line...

And yes, thank you for pointing out that delivering 20,000lb+ ordnance over 1,500 miles into hostile territory is actually quite difficult.

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Do you know what types and amounts of speciall weapons systems the US stores in Israel just in case a major war reaks out in this area?
I wasn't aware that the US stored any weapons for itself at all in Israel.

The fact that you're not specifying what weapons they are, makes me quite suspicious.

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Do you know how many MOAB bombs it would take to destroy a city the size of Tehran? Tehran is 254 sq m with a metropolitan population estimated in 2006 to be 7,354,000.

Here are the basic facts about the MOAB:

* It is currently the largest conventional bomb (as opposed to a nuclear bomb) in the U.S. arsenal.
* The bomb weighs 21,000 pounds (9,525 kg).
* The bomb is 30 feet long and 40.5 inches in diameter.
* It is satellite-guided, making it a very large "smart bomb."
* It bursts about 6 feet (1.8 meters) above the ground.
* Each above the ground blast could level several miles in diameter.
The first five points I already knew. The last point is bona fide BS - even a 1kt small nuke couldn't do that.

HYDESim: High-Yield Detonation Effects Simulator

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The idea behind an "air burst" weapon, as opposed to a weapon that explodes on impact with the ground, is to increase its destructive range. A bomb that penetrates the ground and then bursts tends to send all of its energy either down into the ground or straight up into the air. An air burst weapon sends a great deal of its energy out to the side. Several of these planes dropped from cargo planes would very closely duplicate the effects on the city of Hiroshima.
Thanks, but I don't need a lesson in elementary bomb placement. Fact is - even with better distribution, they cannot match the energy released by a 16kt nuke.

PS Hiroshima was a 580m airburst as well.

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You speak of the moral and strategic implications of such an attack by Israel. If you have ever read the Torah, you will find that the Hebrews were instructed to destroy every living being when entering Canaan because of the evil of the people who threw their own children into the fires of their god. Not unlike those in Iran today.
Please don't insinuate that I am ignorant 'cause I haven't read all of some book which some people say is the word of God.

And quite what your point is, escapes me. If you think the Torah has any moral authority with me, think again.

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Strategically the destruction of Tehran would give the world the ability to breathe again without the immediate threat of an Armageddon.
Strategically, the destruction of Tehran does not address the existence of the rest of the Iranian military.

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As far at the North Korea ICBM failing so quickly after take off, I just have problems bellieving in coincidences. This has nothing to do with mental health but facing that there are many things going on that none of us has any idea.
You don't think the Russians would pipe up about such a weapon system?

It's really not much of a coincidence. Considering the US was estimating a 20% failure rate for its own tried-and-true ICBMs during the Cold War, and that the history of Russian and American space exploration is littered with tragedies of malfunctioning rocketry, it's really not inconceivable that the ONE launch of a prototype ICBM from a technologically and economically totally impoverished nation could malfunction. Not to mention that a US constellation of anti-ICBM satellites would be unbelievably expensive and require scores of launches and thus be all-but-impossible to hide, especially from purposefully prying eyes such as the Russians.

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You might just be willing to wait until Iran has a nuclear weapon and feels the time has come to wipe Israel off the map with alll its inhabitants.

I personally don't feel like being destroyed like sheep while waiting at the gas chamber doosr once again.
That would be wonderful rhetoric if it was written correctly and had any basis in what I said. As it is, you're just straw-manning that because I don't support genocide, I support the French stance. Come back later, troll?

I advocate tough action of hitting the right military targets at the right time, but my views are thus rather uninteresting.

Indeed, to further your vivid idea of a second Holocaust, how would destroying Tehran with MOABs - ROFFLES - prevent this?

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