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entropy · 04-04-2007, 14:23 PM

Gentlemen.
The entire debate about global warming (not here, on WAB people somehow manage to keep decency) reminds me of the debate on creationism. Instead of listening to each others arguments, people started to yell at each other, hoping that the noise one produces will block out the arguments of the other side, and so on. No rational overview was made whatsoever, people just sought holes in each other's argumentation and started yelling about it. The dogmatic ones were worse (as usually) but the secular ones weren't that better. Was I the only one that realized that evolution and the bible were perfectly compatible?

Same thing on this one. People keep yelling at each other, not even reading the arguments presented. Some of them do it to not lose their money to environment taxation, some out of ignorance and compassion, some to win elections, and some just to fit in.

IMHO, it's naive to say that there is no climate change. Here in Western Europe, we had heatwaves in the middle of the winter, raising the temperature so high that birds started nesting and flowers started blossoming. And it wasn't really a winter, more of a prolonged fall.
I remember hearing about snow in the winter in Belgium. Not just 3 jours of snow, but real snow. It no longer happens. Something is happening?

It is also naive to call it a global WARMING. The climate is everything but a linear system. We can't even make exact weather forecasts, let stand fathom all the mechanisms that control the climate. It is extremely naive to think like the Gore types do: more CO2=warm, less CO2=cold.

But the climate is changing, that's for sure. We have strange cold summers, warm winters, heatwaves when they're not supposed to happen, abnormal day/night differences in Moscow, blizzards in Jordan etc. Something is happening, but whether it is purely man-made, is unknown.
Earth's climate changes constantly, and changes drastically. Ever thought why they call Greenland like that. Once upon a time it was green. Read the history of Greenland and Iceland to understand more.
Once upon a time, lions inhabited Europe.
It is quite possible that the emission of greenhouse gases does something. But yelling about death in 2100 is naive. Nature will balance it, as it balanced an even larger emission millions of years ago (when the first life started growing on Earth, something caused enormous amounts of CO2 to come in the atmosphere. Nature reacted by growing more trees, and now that CO2 is stored under the ground as coal).
Instead we shoud think about the consequences of ocean rise, and stop cutting down rain forests. That IS a problem.

04-04-2007, 14:23 PM	#65 (permalink)
entropy Senior Reader *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 03-19-07 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,628 Country:	Gentlemen. The entire debate about global warming (not here, on WAB people somehow manage to keep decency) reminds me of the debate on creationism. Instead of listening to each others arguments, people started to yell at each other, hoping that the noise one produces will block out the arguments of the other side, and so on. No rational overview was made whatsoever, people just sought holes in each other's argumentation and started yelling about it. The dogmatic ones were worse (as usually) but the secular ones weren't that better. Was I the only one that realized that evolution and the bible were perfectly compatible? Same thing on this one. People keep yelling at each other, not even reading the arguments presented. Some of them do it to not lose their money to environment taxation, some out of ignorance and compassion, some to win elections, and some just to fit in. IMHO, it's naive to say that there is no climate change. Here in Western Europe, we had heatwaves in the middle of the winter, raising the temperature so high that birds started nesting and flowers started blossoming. And it wasn't really a winter, more of a prolonged fall. I remember hearing about snow in the winter in Belgium. Not just 3 jours of snow, but real snow. It no longer happens. Something is happening? It is also naive to call it a global WARMING. The climate is everything but a linear system. We can't even make exact weather forecasts, let stand fathom all the mechanisms that control the climate. It is extremely naive to think like the Gore types do: more CO2=warm, less CO2=cold. But the climate is changing, that's for sure. We have strange cold summers, warm winters, heatwaves when they're not supposed to happen, abnormal day/night differences in Moscow, blizzards in Jordan etc. Something is happening, but whether it is purely man-made, is unknown. Earth's climate changes constantly, and changes drastically. Ever thought why they call Greenland like that. Once upon a time it was green. Read the history of Greenland and Iceland to understand more. Once upon a time, lions inhabited Europe. It is quite possible that the emission of greenhouse gases does something. But yelling about death in 2100 is naive. Nature will balance it, as it balanced an even larger emission millions of years ago (when the first life started growing on Earth, something caused enormous amounts of CO2 to come in the atmosphere. Nature reacted by growing more trees, and now that CO2 is stored under the ground as coal). Instead we shoud think about the consequences of ocean rise, and stop cutting down rain forests. That IS a problem. __________________ If memory serves...