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Anony · 09-02-2004, 16:38 PM

Well the article makes a lot of good points. One of them is that most people who say they are arabs now are not ethnically arab. Arabs are from arabia, and the "arabs" in north africa and persia now were "arabized" by the invading arab armies in the 7th century. Whether they mass murdered , forced , into conversion to islam is highly controversial, and the fact that the article ignore the crusaders torture of the jews and muslims in the holy lands, makes its clearly biased. Anyhow i will talk in an open minded way.

We have to face reality. history passes and no one can change it. Stronger countries influence weaker countries and affect their decision. Israel's existance is there and no one can deny it. The past arab political "stupidity" as i may call it, has changed overtime. For now atleast i don't know anyone living in arab coutnries who thinks "throwinging israel into the sea" is feasible as was the case earlier.

However from the topic of "how feasible arabs claim to israel" , can be applied to "how feasible zionist claim is to israel." Alot of people around the world have been under occupation for long period of time, sometimes for 10s of centuries, this doesnt make them, however , have no rights to the land. If you consider Jews
an ethnic group, then their claim to the land is not higher than palestenians either, as alot of jews immigrated to other countries in the past 2000 years. palestenians have been living in the area for a long time as well. Just because they were occupied by other empires, doesnt mean they dont have the right to have a nation. If they were living there before 1948, doesnt mean they need to get thrown out when the jews established the state of israel. Most of the political personnel in israel are european jews and not jews from arab countries, so the matter is political rather than religion. Religious wars aren't fought anymore, its time for all of us to realise that. Its all propaganda for people in my opinion.

this ofcourse ignores any conversions, inter-race marriages that have occured between arabs and jews over the past 2000 years, a point that has to be considered if one is going to argue about "who the land belongs to"

The question to whom the land belongs to arabs or jews, is rather not living up to reality of today's politics. Theres no going back in time and changing anything. Also one should not expect for palestenians to be happy of being kicked out of israel without being able to return back, even under an israeli passport. Peace is hard now, and its really sad that jews and muslims can't see their vast similarities
and just focus on hatred against each other. With articles like these, they only strike hatred in hearts of the people.

09-02-2004, 16:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anony Regular Join Date: 08-24-04 Location: Egypt Posts: 78	Well the article makes a lot of good points. One of them is that most people who say they are arabs now are not ethnically arab. Arabs are from arabia, and the "arabs" in north africa and persia now were "arabized" by the invading arab armies in the 7th century. Whether they mass murdered , forced , into conversion to islam is highly controversial, and the fact that the article ignore the crusaders torture of the jews and muslims in the holy lands, makes its clearly biased. Anyhow i will talk in an open minded way. We have to face reality. history passes and no one can change it. Stronger countries influence weaker countries and affect their decision. Israel's existance is there and no one can deny it. The past arab political "stupidity" as i may call it, has changed overtime. For now atleast i don't know anyone living in arab coutnries who thinks "throwinging israel into the sea" is feasible as was the case earlier. However from the topic of "how feasible arabs claim to israel" , can be applied to "how feasible zionist claim is to israel." Alot of people around the world have been under occupation for long period of time, sometimes for 10s of centuries, this doesnt make them, however , have no rights to the land. If you consider Jews an ethnic group, then their claim to the land is not higher than palestenians either, as alot of jews immigrated to other countries in the past 2000 years. palestenians have been living in the area for a long time as well. Just because they were occupied by other empires, doesnt mean they dont have the right to have a nation. If they were living there before 1948, doesnt mean they need to get thrown out when the jews established the state of israel. Most of the political personnel in israel are european jews and not jews from arab countries, so the matter is political rather than religion. Religious wars aren't fought anymore, its time for all of us to realise that. Its all propaganda for people in my opinion. this ofcourse ignores any conversions, inter-race marriages that have occured between arabs and jews over the past 2000 years, a point that has to be considered if one is going to argue about "who the land belongs to" The question to whom the land belongs to arabs or jews, is rather not living up to reality of today's politics. Theres no going back in time and changing anything. Also one should not expect for palestenians to be happy of being kicked out of israel without being able to return back, even under an israeli passport. Peace is hard now, and its really sad that jews and muslims can't see their vast similarities and just focus on hatred against each other. With articles like these, they only strike hatred in hearts of the people.