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zraver · 01-15-2007, 23:44 PM

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Shek,
Do we really want a democratic middle east or do we want unifed or at least stable nation states. Much of the region is still too tribal for democracy and too reactionary for major reforms. Perhaps the goal in Iraq should be in creating peaceful states that respect the rule of a just set of laws that recognises both the modern values (UNUDHR) and a form of Sharia, that do not depend on a dictatorship or monarchy.

Quatar is leading the way with the intriduction of modern education and a constatutional monarchy. An Iraqi federation of 3 autonnomous states could further advance this goal. Iraq may be the current battle feild in the head lines but it is just one of several hotspots in the region.

I think the west has confused democracy with liberty and freedom, aka the buy in concept. Stabalizing the price of oil would help every state in the region in the endevour. With reliable budgets they could spend more on social programs aleviating poverty and dissillusionment. The ultimate goal is the subversion and evnetual replacement of the current rulers of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and Hezzbollah/Hamas.

One big and persistent handicap in dealing with the region is a lack of a coherant policy. You mentioned tha tin dealing with an insurgency the civil and military aims must be united. I agee but we also need to see the whole of the ME as an insurgency not just Iraq. For nearly 100 year snow the west has doled out or with hold favors instead of building lasting foundations. If Iraqies deserve peace and prosperity, so do Palestinians, and Israelies, Lebanese and the Saudi/Gulf States have nots.

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zraver Contrary by nature. *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-22-06 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,069 Country:	I will download them from school where I ahve highspeed access. Shek, Do we really want a democratic middle east or do we want unifed or at least stable nation states. Much of the region is still too tribal for democracy and too reactionary for major reforms. Perhaps the goal in Iraq should be in creating peaceful states that respect the rule of a just set of laws that recognises both the modern values (UNUDHR) and a form of Sharia, that do not depend on a dictatorship or monarchy. Quatar is leading the way with the intriduction of modern education and a constatutional monarchy. An Iraqi federation of 3 autonnomous states could further advance this goal. Iraq may be the current battle feild in the head lines but it is just one of several hotspots in the region. I think the west has confused democracy with liberty and freedom, aka the buy in concept. Stabalizing the price of oil would help every state in the region in the endevour. With reliable budgets they could spend more on social programs aleviating poverty and dissillusionment. The ultimate goal is the subversion and evnetual replacement of the current rulers of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and Hezzbollah/Hamas. One big and persistent handicap in dealing with the region is a lack of a coherant policy. You mentioned tha tin dealing with an insurgency the civil and military aims must be united. I agee but we also need to see the whole of the ME as an insurgency not just Iraq. For nearly 100 year snow the west has doled out or with hold favors instead of building lasting foundations. If Iraqies deserve peace and prosperity, so do Palestinians, and Israelies, Lebanese and the Saudi/Gulf States have nots.