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if you include energy that takes to build the machine, than i'd be clear to everyone that it's imposible, it would be just as clear as that rain is water, we don't debate about it, do we? however the question is if it posible to build the machine. energy spent on constacting it is not relavant.
every one uses 2lot, law of conservation of energy, to disprove one, not becouse it takes energy to build one, that is silly
yes it takes energy to make a magnet, so what? we are talking about machine that spins or does any kind of motion without external imput, building one takes energy, but that is out of our equation.
if your resons for a pm being imposible, is that it takes energy to build one, or the components will wear out, and someting is going to break, than you are far away from the point.
the key word is perpetual motion machine, not perpetual machine that lasts forever, it's the motion that lasts forever, as long as the machine works properly.
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