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and that is where you are absolutely wrong. american greenbacks have allowed china to lift hundreds of millions from poverty, in what has been the greatest reduction of poverty in the world in the shortest amount of time. such change absolutely transformed china,
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And none of that is dependant on the existence of the CCP. If Nixon hand't gone to China it is possible the China would be re-united and democratic today. And that massive pool of labor would still be there and probalby have even less dead weight via PLA industrial concerns, arms spending, and other excesses.
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china has held off political reform, but not civil reform. and even the former is changing now. as for "subject to arrest and even death without a fair trial, and poverty", far, far less so today than would be true but 20 years ago. it's revealing that most of rural china clamor for MORE CCP intervention in their affairs, not less.
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FCivil unrest among the have nots is growing and the clamoring is not for more communism but more goverment help. The CCP jus thappens to be the only game in town.
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why, you left-wing liberal! by the way, if you mention improving social conditions...you don't even need to go to china (although it would be helpful if you did). take a look at the pictures of even the most downtrodden rural area of 15 years ago, and compare it now. obviously not as revolutionary as what's happened to the big coastal cities, but far from nothing, either.
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In some places, in others the polution is making the area toxic, in others rural communties have been paved over, flooded, or other wise ruined to make more dollars for the few haves, not the magority of the have nots.
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oh, i agree that it's a long long way to go. but hubris as pride leading to a fall? china as a nation doesn't have that type of pride...not yet, anyway.
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It's there, they still have the middle kingdom complex unde rthe whitewash of marxist-capatalism. From hawkish colonels and generals talking about nuking LA and pipe dreams of taking on USN carriers and chest thumping via Tiawan to the fanboys crowding the internet cafes all eager to tell a westerner how tough China is and how we'd better watch it.