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Originally Posted by Yirmeyahu
gunnut
They don't just "feel" occupied, their land is occupied. It's not a perception, it's a matter of fact.
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No, it is not fact. What Palestinians call occupied territory, Israelis call disputed territory. There is no fact. It is only opinion. Any labeling of nature is by the very nature of statement political, and that is based on the FACT of power and nothing else.
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Originally Posted by Yirmeyahu
shek,
I have already provided you with the laws whereby cluster munitions are illegal weapons.
1) International law forbids indiscriminate warfare (see above). The use of cluster munitions in populated areas is inherently indiscriminate warfare.
2) International law forbids indiscriminate weapons, which includes weapons whose effects cannot be limited to military targets. Cluster munitions, on account of the fact that they have a built in dud rate and unexploded munitions become de facto landmines, are inherently indiscriminate weapons.
3) Landmines have been explicitly outlawed. Unexploded cluster munitions are de facto landmines.
It is a tortured reading of the letter of law indeed that allows cluster munitions to be regarded as "legal". The spirit of the law is unambiguous.
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It is not at all unabmiguous. If it was, it would say "no cluster bombs". This was not said because participants were not willing to draft something like this, they did not want to ban them. It is not international law, but your OPINION, that they are indiscriminate, and that's final. Any weapon is discriminate or indiscriminate based on circumstance and nothing more, there is no objective precision standard.
Landmines are explicitly outlawed. You have to be signatory to the ban. Neither Israel nor Lebanon are signatories.
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Originally Posted by Yirmeyahu
Stan187
The title doesn't fit, I'm afraid, since I don't "bounce around between" moral and legal standards, but accept and apply them both.
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The fact that you actually do bounce around between them at your own convenience makes you a CHERRY PICKER. The fact that you deny it after clearly showing throughout the discussion that you are, makes you an IDIOT.