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Originally Posted by tphuang
generally, the export restrictions have been declining. It's not just about the Russians, the Chinese are not desperate either.
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There is no such thing! If anything, in recent years, with all the oil money flowing in and Putin bringing in some leadership stability at the centre, the Russians are being more hardnosed than before. It is entirely this attitude at the center that several firms have run into, even as they tried landing lucrative but technology supplier deals with the PRC and even India.
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As for Bars vs V, well since Bars is not the export version of V, it naturally doesn't have to be less capable than V.
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Dont you get it? In the case of China, they created an export version in specific, which was downgraded compared to what the Russian AF has. Therein lies the difference.
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I would think that China would want cooperations on certain areas like RAM technology rather than the whole plane, since it has its own designs.
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True, but thats the whole point, whether Russia will allow piecemeal access to the aircrafts systems, and what grade avionics and systems will be provided. India took one look at the PAK-FA and decided that it wanted much greater say in the whole process, and hence asked for MiG to join the bidding as well. Whether China will be offered this, is another issue.
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if su-33/su-34 is allowed to be exported to China, I don't see why the statements about su-35 would be invalid. But again, I have only read a short summary of the Janes article. I need to read the entire article for more information.
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You are still missing the point by a mile and a half. Russia will sell you their alphabet soup Flankers, but with a few more alphabets tacked on, to signify that the version sold to the PRC is indeed different, and has some downgraded avionics fits. They have a track record of doing so, and will only allow that level of technology which the PRC has shown itself capable of developing on its own or is not a threat to them since its not an offensive system (Eg SAMs). In such cases, it makes more sense for them to get as many roubles as possible, asap.