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Originally Posted by roshan
Can you please explain how bows and arrows were used up close and personal? That does not make any sense whatsoever. Bows and crossbows are made for fighting from long ranges.
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Not everyone had the same style of fighting in every part of the world at any given time.
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Lunatock, I edited my post because I felt that I needed to explain more and provide more facts. Again, here are my arguments in favor of European armor:
"A battlefield european armor would weight around 60 pounds. European armors were not bulky. In fact due to their sleek design(the armors tended to stick close to the skin and follow the curves of the body unlike japanese suits), they hardly inhibited the mobility of the knights. Japanese armors ranged from 55 to 77 pounds. European armors were also stronger then Japanese ones. In fact during the 16th century the Japanese noted quality of Italian and Flemish armors which they imported from the spanish and the portuguese. European breastplates and helms were incorporated into Japanese armors and these were called nanban gosuko. If you want to know more aout this then read "classical fighting arts of japan" by Serge Mol."
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That means that some were indeed lighter. But guessing by your ego, you'd just have me believe 55 pounds is heavier than 60 pounds.
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Instead of refuting these arguments you are refusing to challenge them because I edited my post. That simply shows that you are not capable of replying to the points I raised.
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No just not going to get suckered into letting you make up "facts" as you go along.
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This is from Encyclopaedia Britannica:
"Pitying the plight of such pilgrims, eight or nine French knights, led by Hugues de Payens, vowed in late 1119 or early 1120 to devote themselves to their protection and to form a religious community for that purpose...... Moreover, by 1304 rumours (probably false) of irreligious practices and blasphemies committed by the Templars during their secret rites of initiation had begun to circulate through Europe. At this juncture, King Philip IV the Fair of Francehad every Templar in France arrested on Oct. 13, 1307, and sequestered all the Templars' property in France."
"The first suits of full plate armour date from the first decades of the 15th century. By 1440 the Gothic style of plate armour was well developed, representing the ultimate development of personal armour protection"
Pay attention to the dates. European full plate was developed almost ONE HUNDRED FIFTY YEARS after the Knights Templar ceased to exist!
Padding was worn below the armor in order to absorb shock.
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(Well that sucks...kicked out of france<spit>) it wasn't just france<spit> that the Knights Templar were based in. They were based in other European Countries..and even you wouldn't doubt there was quite a few of them in the Middle East.
Bet you those Rumors were false by the way. Somewhere in history the Church villified the Knights Templar to rob them of thier influence and do away with them.
And of course I never said that they wore plate armor. Just that they wore armor period. And they put cloth underneath thier armor due to being under the Middle Eastern sun and wearing chain mail.