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Originally Posted by hound
I am not interested in wars before WWI:
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Probably because a look at the complete US war record dating back even before the United States inception makes your argument that "the US has never fought a first rate power" look
completely stoopid.
The fact is the US has fought EVERY MAJOR WORLD POWER(including the Soviet Union) of the last two centuries at one time or another, and has
never once been decisively defeated in any military campaign.
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Originally Posted by hound
WWI: US had allies joined together.....victory was evenhanded, US did not play any herioc role.
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Same is true for every Allied combatant in that war.
Except the Russians....who surrendered and sued for peace.
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Originally Posted by hound
WWII: Japan compared to US was still a small country with much smaller industrial base.
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Compared to Russia Germany is a small country.
I'd also point out that the 'small country' of Japan had NO PROBLEM biitch slapping the British Royal Navy, invading and largely conquering the most populous nation on earth...and not too many years prior had utterly anhillated the better part of the Russian navy.
Your logic sucks.
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Originally Posted by hound
Remember Pearl Harbor, if kamakazis had taken out the oil tankers, the US Navy would have been stranded for long time, sitting ducks.
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And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle...
But regardless, the fact that the US PACFLT got biitch-slapped in a surprise attack and that in less than 9 months we had siezed the initiative and were in a full scale general offensive really tells you just how good the US is at the business of war.
In a single battle, the US utterly anhilated the IJN carrier fleet....the single most advanced and combat experienced carrier fleet in the world at that time. Kido Butai was a truly elite carrier TF, by any measure of the word.
Until they ran into Enterprise, Yorktown, and Hornet.
Within a matter of hours three largely unexperienced US carriers had converted the most elite naval force in the world into an artificial reef.
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Originally Posted by hound
European theatre: Western front was a joke compared to eastern operations. When US entered the war, Germans were already 50% spent up so no bigge that their airforce was soon out of action. WWII was won by SU and US/UK others chipped in when they saw that sooner or later SU will prevail anyways.
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Without a devastated German homeland/industry(caused SOLELY by the US and UK), a destroyed Luftwaffe that had to be majoritively commited to the West(destroyed pretty much courtesy the P-51 mustang), without the UTTERLY massive aid of Lend-lease(300,000 trucks, 7,000 locomotives just to name a few absolutely indispensible items the us sent to the SU), and without a second AND third front(Italy and Germany), the Russians were never going to win.
Period.
Even WITH all that Russia
did come pretty close to losing though.
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Originally Posted by hound
Korea I&II: DPRK vrs US, still a third world with old type Soviet euiptment, US had to win. Number of men does not matter in modern weapons wars. Wonder how many of Koreans were loading their rifles and shooting two round before having to load again.
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Number of men doesnt matter? Is this more of your
kindergarden level military analysis?
"It is the unconquerable nature of man and not the nature of the weapon he uses that ensures victory."
~General George S. Patton
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Originally Posted by hound
Vietnam: US fought with one hand tied behind the back, no doubt, the end result, 2 million vietnamese murdered. insanity.
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War is insanity. That's what it's ALL ABOUT.
"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime. Ask the infantry and ask the dead."
~ Ernest Hemingway
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Originally Posted by hound
Desert Storm: Brezhnev era army facing off the top line weapons of the superpower.
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Are you aware of the age-old military truism that states, "The attacker must maintain a 4:1 numerical advantadge in men and materiel to succeed."
Are you?
Cause son, the coalition did it with a 1:2 numerical INFERIORITY.
And like i said, many US systems were dated to the Brezhnev era.
The F-14, F-15, F-16(all late 60s to mid 70s designs). The A-10(early seventies design). The M-60 tank(early sixties design). The M-113 APC(early fifties design). The Hawk SAM(designed in 1960), the Cobra Attack Helo(designed in the late sixties)....and so on down the line.
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Originally Posted by hound
does not matter how dense the AD were over Bagdhad, makes no difference if they are out of the range AAA or missiles.
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Actually Iraq itself had what was widely held to be the most dense and comprehensive IADS in the world outside of the St Union. Iraq fella....Not Baghdad.
We're talking the entire nation here.
And um, the SA-2, SA-3, and SA-6 were all capable of reaching the altitude that all US planes operated at.
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Worst, the Dictator did more to harm his own army with stupid tactics than help. Iraq had only 5% chance of pulling a stalemate.
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And the americans had a very good strategy. As usual.
I'd say that's a big part of the equation(and also helps to prove my point), thank you very much.
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Guess it all brings down to US has such large size that anybody other than Soviet Union would not match its power. Put British, French, Germans, Chinese on one to one vrs us and they will meet the same result sooner or later.
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The US invaded the Soviet Union too. In 1918. With two US Army Regiments. We fought in Siberia for TWO YEARS, and left ON OUR SCHEDULE(in 1920, long after WWI had already ended), and with minimal casualties despite being outnumbered 100:1.
The US also faced top WWII Soviet Aces over Korea, and AT WORST held it's own against the very best Soviet pilots of all time who were flying a thoroughly modern and capable jet fighter.
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and this brings to the logic of the last paragraph: US vrs SU and now Russia. US knows the heavyweight matchup reality and that is why it is creeping nato eastward and building pressure. then again presence of nukes make any conventional discussion futile......pretty much.
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Russia is currently no conventional threat to the US whatsovever. In a conventional war, the US would steamroll the Russian military in a matter of months(at most). The russian military is a rusting, underpaid, unprofessional, and obsolete shadow of what it once was.
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Originally Posted by hound
Hitler's agenda was anti Jewish because he blamed them for woes of Germany after WWI and that is why he hated the commies because Communism was Jewish creation: Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and others. Once the Jews have been sent to Israel and US and Communism is dead except in NK and Cuba, the US should also change its agenda and hostility towards Russia and its allies who are not or have never been communist. Not doing so, confirms that US has a NAZI type agenda of itself and is constantly working on it.
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US business tried to invest in Russia after the cold war(just as we did in all the former WP states). Putin has screwed all that up with his increasingly totalitarian and confrontational policies.
It's a shame, but i can hardly say i'm surprised...