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Originally Posted by sparten
Boxcar,
The ball is in Israels court. It will have to accept that it is a part of the middle east, and integrate itself, within the middle east. Frankly the Arabs (and they are historically traders) will accept Israel only if they see it as a viable trading partner. That will lead to far greater acceptance of Israel than any "land for peace".
And the Arabs have god knows few virtues today, and but patience is one of them, and they have calculated that Israel cannot last long in the present economic status quo, needing US aid and Free Trade concessions (not to mention Indo-Pak rivalry) to survive. Looking at it dispassionatly, such a state cannot survive more than a couple of generations.
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This is BS. The Israelis have shown themselves more than willing to enter into peace agreements. The countries that haven't entered into a peace agreement have chosen not to do so because said action would mean recognizing Israel as legitimate and would take away Israel as the domestic anger deflection device.
As far as the US argument, Israel has proven itself more than capable of whipping Arab states before becoming a benefactor of US aid. Look at the Hanagrah (excuse my for certain misspelling). They fought practically using pots and pans and still came out on top in 1948.
However, I would buy your argument if it were that the Arabs cannot survive more than a couple of generations if they don't move beyond their oil reserves, which won't last forever.
Heck, look at Gaza - they handed over greenhouses in the middle of the desert that were able to feed the Jewish settlers. They made something out of nothing. In response, the Palestinians destroyed the greenhouses because they were Jewish. That's the same sort of self-defeatism that the Arabs have practiced since 1948 as they've impaled themselves on the IDF, and the same sort of self-defeatism that the Palestinians are practicing today.