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Ray · 04-12-2004, 00:29 AM

Praxus,

Mutatis Mutandis in your mindset and a wee bit of sanity and knowledge of international relationship dawning, inter alia your going to Iraq to fight for the US and not being a keyboard warrior, will reality strike you. Sitting in your air conditioned home and fantasising while brave American fight to keep your home and hearth warm in spite of your brave words is not the answer. Go, you brave American, into the killing fields of Fellujah instead of having a sore wrist at the keyboard as your greatest contribution to the war effort.

The US Constitution de jure cannot be imposed on the World. What is one man's food maybe another man's poison! Pray do tell us what right have you got to impose your ideas of life on others who are not willing? Are you suggesting that imposing your will on others like the Communists do, is Freedom and Democracy? If so, it is not in consonance with that as visualised by the Greeks. You suggestion is more akin to the 'great thoughts' of a great 'democrat' Stalin, who gave 'power to the people'. Oddly the word 'people' and 'Stalin' does not appear synonymous! Neither does yours! I feel you should change your handle as 'Stalin'.

Can you take on the world? Had you an iota of the US capabilities (not the nuclear option) you would realise that the US is overstretched. And you suggest that Iran should also be taken on. Hold your horses. First thing first is the key. One at a time. You are not a soldier of the US Army and I daresay you will have the gumption to be one because silent waters run deep and shallow waters rumble, gurgle and go in spate as you are displaying. Imagine the condition of the US soldier in Iraq. Their tenures keep increasing. If the tenures increase, there will be a lot of hassles. If the draft is imposed, there will be too many draft dodgers. Remember Vietnam? Your ranting reminds me of the statement: 'The heart is willing, but the flesh is weak'.

If the US takes on the whole world, then the whole world will take you on. The US maybe the greatest power in the world, but she cannot take on the world at the same time. Learn from the British. They built an Empire where the sun never set by the policy of 'divide and rule'. You didn't rule any Empire and you cannot if Iraq is an example. Go ahead and take on the world at the same time and I sure would like to see what happens. If indeed the US could take on the world, then there wouldn't be the massive **** up that is on in both Afghanistan and Iraq and the whimpering to call in the UN to set up the govt in Iraq! I have seen enough of posts here to suggest that most feel that the UN is redundant. Go ahead and sort your mess out yourself. Why ask the silly old UN and what was it said here? Goofy Anan!

The coalition of the Willing is the Coalition of Lotus Eaters. They came to win brownie points with the US and dollars in return. That is why at the sound of the first Iraqi bullet, they scamper out!

Indeed, if the ham handed approach of the US was correct, they would not be alone dying. The British and others would also be on the line. The British are a wise race. Note that they are no less keen on the war, but they are humane and not haughty - the last rait that you display in abundance! The Bible says The Meek shall Conquer the earth. Sceptre and Crown shall tumble down say a poem (Palgrave).

Odd that you feel the WW II was unjustified and yet screwing Saddam who was screwing the Islamist fundamentalist justified. He was doing just what the US wanted. He contained the Islamic fundamentalist - even if in rather immoral ways. Do I see a racist WASP tone in your statement about WWII and Saddam?

Just war is fought in self defence you state. True. Did Saddam attack the WTC? Bin Laden did. He is laughing all the way at the idiotic wild goose chases you are leading. Imagine a frail and sick old fogey making an ass out of the powerful US. It may not bother you. It bothers me. It is only adding bravado to the Islamic vermins fervour to take on the US and making a fool of the US. Musharraf is now giving free access to the wild ones to go out of Pakistan. The poor man Musharraf, is up shitcreek. He is trying to do good for Pakistan and you have him backing up to the ropes!

My advice to you let your mind rule supreme and not your heart. Then and then alone will the debate be on an even keel.

I am equally concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, but I believe that all Moslems are not bums. Some maybe. Give the sane Moslem chaps a chance to surface. It may also interest you that Islam cannot be interpreted anything beyond the scriptures, while Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism can and its scriptures debated. Not so for Islam. The sane Muslims are in a bind. They require help more than anything else. Help them.

Let me assure that I know many Americans who are educated and sane and it has always been a great pleasure to interact with them and learn from them.

Don't go after the Islamist balls, even if they are bigger than yours and ideal for a quick squeeze!

04-12-2004, 00:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,239 Country:	Praxus, Mutatis Mutandis in your mindset and a wee bit of sanity and knowledge of international relationship dawning, inter alia your going to Iraq to fight for the US and not being a keyboard warrior, will reality strike you. Sitting in your air conditioned home and fantasising while brave American fight to keep your home and hearth warm in spite of your brave words is not the answer. Go, you brave American, into the killing fields of Fellujah instead of having a sore wrist at the keyboard as your greatest contribution to the war effort. The US Constitution de jure cannot be imposed on the World. What is one man's food maybe another man's poison! Pray do tell us what right have you got to impose your ideas of life on others who are not willing? Are you suggesting that imposing your will on others like the Communists do, is Freedom and Democracy? If so, it is not in consonance with that as visualised by the Greeks. You suggestion is more akin to the 'great thoughts' of a great 'democrat' Stalin, who gave 'power to the people'. Oddly the word 'people' and 'Stalin' does not appear synonymous! Neither does yours! I feel you should change your handle as 'Stalin'. Can you take on the world? Had you an iota of the US capabilities (not the nuclear option) you would realise that the US is overstretched. And you suggest that Iran should also be taken on. Hold your horses. First thing first is the key. One at a time. You are not a soldier of the US Army and I daresay you will have the gumption to be one because silent waters run deep and shallow waters rumble, gurgle and go in spate as you are displaying. Imagine the condition of the US soldier in Iraq. Their tenures keep increasing. If the tenures increase, there will be a lot of hassles. If the draft is imposed, there will be too many draft dodgers. Remember Vietnam? Your ranting reminds me of the statement: 'The heart is willing, but the flesh is weak'. If the US takes on the whole world, then the whole world will take you on. The US maybe the greatest power in the world, but she cannot take on the world at the same time. Learn from the British. They built an Empire where the sun never set by the policy of 'divide and rule'. You didn't rule any Empire and you cannot if Iraq is an example. Go ahead and take on the world at the same time and I sure would like to see what happens. If indeed the US could take on the world, then there wouldn't be the massive **** up that is on in both Afghanistan and Iraq and the whimpering to call in the UN to set up the govt in Iraq! I have seen enough of posts here to suggest that most feel that the UN is redundant. Go ahead and sort your mess out yourself. Why ask the silly old UN and what was it said here? Goofy Anan! The coalition of the Willing is the Coalition of Lotus Eaters. They came to win brownie points with the US and dollars in return. That is why at the sound of the first Iraqi bullet, they scamper out! Indeed, if the ham handed approach of the US was correct, they would not be alone dying. The British and others would also be on the line. The British are a wise race. Note that they are no less keen on the war, but they are humane and not haughty - the last rait that you display in abundance! The Bible says The Meek shall Conquer the earth. Sceptre and Crown shall tumble down say a poem (Palgrave). Odd that you feel the WW II was unjustified and yet screwing Saddam who was screwing the Islamist fundamentalist justified. He was doing just what the US wanted. He contained the Islamic fundamentalist - even if in rather immoral ways. Do I see a racist WASP tone in your statement about WWII and Saddam? Just war is fought in self defence you state. True. Did Saddam attack the WTC? Bin Laden did. He is laughing all the way at the idiotic wild goose chases you are leading. Imagine a frail and sick old fogey making an ass out of the powerful US. It may not bother you. It bothers me. It is only adding bravado to the Islamic vermins fervour to take on the US and making a fool of the US. Musharraf is now giving free access to the wild ones to go out of Pakistan. The poor man Musharraf, is up shitcreek. He is trying to do good for Pakistan and you have him backing up to the ropes! My advice to you let your mind rule supreme and not your heart. Then and then alone will the debate be on an even keel. I am equally concerned about Islamic fundamentalists, but I believe that all Moslems are not bums. Some maybe. Give the sane Moslem chaps a chance to surface. It may also interest you that Islam cannot be interpreted anything beyond the scriptures, while Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism can and its scriptures debated. Not so for Islam. The sane Muslims are in a bind. They require help more than anything else. Help them. Let me assure that I know many Americans who are educated and sane and it has always been a great pleasure to interact with them and learn from them. Don't go after the Islamist balls, even if they are bigger than yours and ideal for a quick squeeze! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA Last edited by Ray : 04-12-2004 at 10:57 AM.