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Old 04-11-2004, 21:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
Praxus
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For the Honour, Prestige, and the Values of our countries from which we have swore our Oaths, it is precisely why we sacrafice ourselves and continue to sacrafice ourselves. We may not able to save the innocents but I'll be damned if I allow a mission to purposely hurt innocents.
If you hold your values higher then your life, then dieing for your values is not sacrifice.

A sacrifice by it's definition is when you trade a greater value for less value/no value. So in the end you are at a net loss.

No one is suggesting we purposely kill civilians, but we should not sacrifice American/Coalition lives to protect them.

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An American Constitution will not ban Islam from government. Freedom of Religion.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Praxus, I see little difference in what you are proposing to what the other extremists (in their case Islam) are proposing.
Then by your logic no war's should be waged in self-defense because after all who are we to judge right from wrong. We should accept these attacks because for all we know they are right and we are wrong.

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As for the rest, I found Eric Margolis (one of the few times I found him to make sense) to be accurate
We are not building an empire we are not to add land to our empire. We are out to destroy threats to us and are means of life.

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And the US Constitution does rule out certain weapons/tactics/strategy and exactly for moral reasons. I point to you the Oath of Allegiance and the Oaths of Office and Enlistment.
I'm saying we shouldn't rule out certain weapons/tactics/strategys to win the war for moral reasons. I never said anything about the Constitution in this respect.

But that being said, where does it say it in the Oath of Enlistmen or Oath of Office that rules out weapons/tactics/strategys?

I can't find anything.

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Killing tens of thousands of people to impose your will on someone can't be morally justified.
Let's carry out this to it's logical extreme, this is how you find out if the premise goes with the rest of your beliefs...

World War Two was an unjustified war because it imposed our ideas on the people of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians.

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