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Originally Posted by sparten
Secondly in the unlikely event, that your feared Islamic Caliphate did occur and yiou were subjected to the rule of the "Swarthy ones", well lets look at history again. The Middle east and North Africa was majority non muslim for several hundred years after the arrival of Islam. Don;t believe me, check Bernard Lewis. It was the crusades, and Dicky the Lionhearts thinking that all people there were muslim that actually turned that place majorty muslim. Spain is all muslims is'nt it? And so is East Europe, the Ukraine, Scicily, Southern Italy, Corsica, Sout France, Malta all ruled in some case for hundred of years bu muslims. Apparently their riights did not matter sqat there either and they all became muslim and are now a part of the Islamic world........... hey wait a minute, they are not muslim are they.
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errmm... actually, Spain has a pretty large Muslim poplulation, Eastern Europe (Ukraine included), Scicily, Southern Italy, these were never ruled by any muslims. The furthest the muslims got was at the walls of Vienna. And it shouldn't even be said "muslims" especially since it was the Ottoman Empire, your refering to. The Ottomans were quite secular and they cared more about their Empire then their religion. The Ottomans probably would have traded in their religion if they were promised world conquest... maybe thats why, Turkey still manages to stay secular and there is no great muslim uprising against the government in that country... unlike all the other muslim countries...
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In fact many muslim country have large ties living in peace for hundred of years, Syria, Lebabnon, Iraq (tariq Aziz), Malaysia, Indonesia. Apparently for some reason there rights did "matter a squat".
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yea sure they have large ties with each other since they all happen to be muslim. In Indonesia Islamic extremists are already trying to establish an Islamic Republic there...
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Sir, the type of statments that you have put out on these topics for the past few weeks are imbecilic to be kind. Not something that you expect from a person of your calibre. I am sure as a military man and an American citizen, 9-11 and the current Iraq war must be a difficult thing to swallow. But, you don't really serve anything or anyone by making such statements.
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What he is saying is the truth... I'm sortta against the bombardment of Islam aswell but if you think about it, Islamic terrorists supported by Islamic governments bring down their own image of Islam... trust me, when the New Delhi Diwali bomb blasts happened, it really got me fired up against Islam and against Islamic views.