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Originally Posted by JBodnar39
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Originally Posted by Insomniac
My opinion: Islam is one of, if not, the most violent provoking religion on the face of this earth.
There, I said it.
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Very interesting reading. My opinion is on line with yours. To each their own, but from what I do know it seems that Muhammed and Jesus had different messages. Jesus offered a choice - choose me or not, its up to you; turn your cheek; love your fellow man. Muhammed seemed to be trying to implement a lot of rules simply to ensure that everyone danced to the song that he played: ie no alchohol; degredation of women; killing non Muslims; praying to Meccas so many times a day, ect., ect, ect.
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Insomniac has compiled his information using sites that have some very questionable information. If you notice, most of the citations he uses are a single verse, and if you go and look at the surrounding verses for many of these citations, then a different meaning appears. He also uses translations that most suit his thesis. Here's just one example:
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Originally Posted by Insomniac
3:106,107 “On the day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieve ye after you (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieve.”
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The FBI uses the following translation by Yusuf Ali:
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Originally Posted by YUSUFALI
On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): "Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting Faith."
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If you read the surrounding verses, it becomes clear that this section is exactly analogous to judgement day, with the context of white/light being good and black/darkness being evil. Yet, he wants you to completely deny this and instead see this as racism.
He also fails to mention the context of his raisin head comment; here's the tradition:
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The Prophet said, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief."
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So, you have an Arab telling his followers that it doesn't matter if a non-Arab is their leader - their duty is to obey him. Hardly a message a racism, which counsels others to believe in the unquestioned superiority of their own race. In fact, the message is the opposite, and the more "racist" that the "raisin head" comment is, then the more powerful the anti-racist message of Mohammed is. It is a self-defeating argument that Insomniac is making.
You can look at all the other comments in the Pub section (this was a double posted thread) that expose numerous other flaws in Insomniac's argument and read through a lenghty discussion of his attempt indict all of Islam in his "True Islam" thread in the Middle East section, where he also conducts lengthy cut and paste arguments from questionable sites.
In the end, Insomniac can't reconcile why his version of Islam is followed by so few in the Islamic world except the Salafist jihads that make up probably less than 1% of the Muslim population.
This 1% cannot go unchecked, but unlike Insomniac, don't confuse ideology with religion, and it's best to analyze events through the lens of multiple determinants instead of boiling problems down to just religion in an oversimplification.