Julie

Poll: Clinton vs. Giuliani in 2008

(CNN) -- If the results of a recent poll pan out, voters will see two big names from the Big Apple on the ballot in November 2008.

Those names are Sen. Hillary Clinton, a Democrat, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Thursday indicated Clinton and Giuliani were the early favorites to win their respective party's nomination.

But those polled said they believe the former first lady would have a smoother path to the nomination than her GOP counterpart.

Conducted December 9-11, the telephone poll asked 393 registered voters who described themselves as Republicans and 446 registered voters who described themselves as Democrats who they were most likely to support in their respective primaries.

The survey had a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Clinton snared the majority of the Democratic voters polled. And with more than two years before the primaries, she was ahead of her two nearest potential competitors by nearly 30 percentage points.

Giuliani, on the other hand, edged out Sen. John McCain of Arizona by only 8 percentage points, 30-22.

Another 18 percent of those polled selected Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, despite her repeated assertion that she has no plans to run.

Bringing up the rear on the GOP side were Sen. George Allen, of Virginia, 7 percent; Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, 3 percent; Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, 3 percent; and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, 2 percent.

The remaining 15 percent of Republicans polled said they would support someone else.

Clinton was the favorite of 43 percent of the Democrats polled. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina -- the party's candidates in 2004 -- each had 14 percent.

Eight percent of the Democrats polled selected Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware; 3 percent chose Virginia Gov. Mark Warner; another 3 percent picked New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; 1 percent opted for Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana; and 1 percent favored Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

The remaining 13 percent of Democrats polled said they would support another candidate.

The 2008 presidential race could be the most wide-open contest in more than five decades.

With President Bush unable to seek another term and Vice President Dick Cheney insisting he won't succeed him, the table is set for the first race since 1952 in which neither a sitting president nor a vice president is on the ballot.

In that race, Republican Dwight Eisenhower defeated Democrat Adlai Stevenson by a landslide electoral vote of 442 to 89.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/...oll/index.html

THL

OMG! I was just about to post this same thread! With my opinions, of course.

Hillary and Rudy - tough choice for me if I had to make the decision based only on what I currently know and if I had to make that choice today, I have to admit.

Rudy is pro-choice which is a HUGE plus in my eyes for him. For opening the oil reserves is also good in my eyes (but so is Hillary to the best of my knowledge). Rudy is for getting people off of welfare (also great). But there was something mentioned about "No taxpayer dollars for offensive art. (Oct 1999)" (from the link below)...now this is not something that I am extremely passionate about, offensive art, but my concern with this is that if taxpayers money is going to be used for art, then it should be used for all art, not just what 'ol Rudy likes to look at. Again, not a huge deal for me, but I am going to keep the underlying meaning in the back of my mind.

Hillary is also pro-choice but she is also for stem-cell research which I like. (I don't think Rudy had his opinion listed either way on this). She is for domestic partner benefits. For restricting rules on personal bankruptcy which I think is also good. License and register all handgun sales (Sniper, leave me alone ). Welfare payments: "I’ve advocated tying the welfare payment to certain behavior about being a good parent. You couldn’t get your welfare check if your child wasn’t immunized. You couldn’t get your welfare check if you didn’t participate in a parenting program. You couldn’t get your check if you didn’t show up for student-teacher conferences. I’m a big believer in linking opportunity and rights with responsibility and duties." This last one I really like. Not letting people on welfare get away with not attending to their childs needs. Just sad that the US would even need that, though.


Hillary 2000
Rudy 2000

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Julie

My sentiments exactly THL.

Dreadnought

Rudy has my vote. Clinton and her husband both play two sides of the demorcratic party.

nickshepAK

Lets just put it this way... Hillary Clinton has a better chance of winning the republican primary than Rudy Giuliani.

If I had to make a prediciton right now, Id say Clinton vs Allen. Sen. George Allen of VA is being touted as the next Ronald Reagan by many on the right. He was recently featured on the cover of the National Review. Here is the article that went with the cover.

Im hoping for a Virginia vs Virginia matchup though. Gov. Warner vs Sen. Allen. That would be a great race.

dalem

Not true. Republicans enjoy winning. If it turns out that Rudy is the best candidate, Rudy will get the nod. An imperfect Republican winning is better than a perfect Republican losing.

-dale

Dreadnought

The U.S. is not ready for a woman president and wont be for years to come. Hilliary wont make it and you can quote me on it. Its not that I have anything against her the U.S. is just not ready for a woman to be president. Pehaps in the next 10-20 years things may change and a woman president may be a welcomed change as well.

Anon

Quite true.

Guiliani is FAR from my idea of a dream candidate, but he really would be a very strong candidate, especially if hillary faces off with him.

Hillary running will polarize the right like it has never been polarized before. Republican turnout will be immense to stop that woman at all costs.

nickshepAK

True, but not true at the same time. If you think the Republican primary voters in Iowa and South Carolina are going to welcome a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, anti-gun, northeasterner like Rudy Giuliani with open arms, well, your mistaken.

Considering what they did to McCain in 2000... I can only imagine what they will do to Giuliani in 2008.

Bluesman

And how many delegates do Iowa and South Carolina send to the convention?

I think dalem is correct.

BenRoethig

This Iowan would. My dream ticket is Giuliani/McCain. That being said, the current political process has become very european like where it is incapable of nominating competent leaders, only ideologues.

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nickshepAK

Iowa and South Carolina are crucial parts of the Repubican primary. Winning the early primaries means a lot more than just delegates. It means increased name id, increased media coverage, and unlimited fundraising opportunities.

The last time a Republican presidential candidate lost the South Carolina primary, but went on to win the nomination was Gerald Ford in 1976 when he defeated Ronald Reagan.

Bluesman

This was fun, looking back over some historical posts...

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dalem

Definitely.

And where the heck did Julie go?

-dale

Julie

Right here.....I've been watchin'.