TopHatter

You know for someone that reported a post for "name calling" you sure do like to dish it out too.

So you're outta here?

Good.

Stay out.

Parihaka

He's discovered his arguments can't stand on their own.

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Kansas Bear

On the contrary, Hillary Clinton scares the living $hit out of me!

Ryan Bailey

Friends, I do support the right of all people groups to adhere to pride, community organisation & independence of association. And whilst disagreeing with certain statements of many clergy I find it a dangerous trend that our mainstream media should give so much focus to religious-social precept as to confuse our citizenry regarding the nature of our civil religious intercourses.

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JAD_333

lol...best laugh of the day... Thanks.

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7thsfsniper

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I believe Obama is more loyal to Africa than America.

What evidence do you have to support this conclusion? Pride in his heritage? If so, what would say about non-black Americans who celebrate their roots?


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He won't wear the stars and stripes and if you watch the last part of the video ALL the other dem candidates showed thier loyalty by putting thier hand on thier heart. Barack did not. It kills me to say that I have more respect for Hillary, John Edwards, Ted kennedy, and all the left wingers than Barack! We may have different views but at least they are apperaing to be patriotic, loyal Americans!

And what the hell did that arrogant, ass wife of his mean by saying "for the first time in her adult life" she was proud to be American?! WTF is that about. I have been proud since I was old enough to know what it was! What a couple of jerks! Regardless of color!

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JAD_333

I don't know why he didn't put his hand over his heart.

As for what his wife said... Who knows why she felt no pride before, but she feels it now. That's good, isn't it? Do you know why she said that? She explained it the other day on TV; it had to do with seeing people of all colors showing up to support a black candidate. I think she meant patriotic.

astralis

7thsfsniper,

you do know that wearing the whole stars and stripes flag lapel is actually a pretty new thing in american politics, right? not quite wearing one's loyalty on a sleeve, but...

i'd rather judge the person by his positions and what he'll do for america as opposed to indulging in appearances of patriotism. i disagree with his policies, but i do not think he is unpatriotic or disloyal. would your opinion of obama change if he were to wear a suit made of red, white, and blue?

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dalem

If gunnut can't generalize and say most whites aren't worried about a black president, how can you generalize and insist that they are?

-dale

dalem

So this is the first time she felt patriotic? The first time she felt love for her country? She's just as bad at pulling her foot out of her mouth as her hubby.

-dale

gunnut

Sir, and JAD, although wearing a flagpin is a relatively new thing, placing your hand over your heard to salute the flag and the anthem is not. Obama refused to do so on many occassions.

While doing so may not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that one is loyal a patriotic, not doing so certainly raises questions.

The flag and the anthem transcends our government. They represent the good of America, whether the current administration is good or not. To salute them is the least any citizen can do.

Obama's failure to do so, coupled with all his other antics, led many to question where his loyalty lies.

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astralis

gunnut,

i don't doubt that, but the question remains if that is a valid thought.

heck, even pledging allegiance to the flag is also a relatively new thing too does that mean lincoln and TR were unpatriotic?

wearing the flag lapel, or holding the hand over the heart- these are "low-meaning" indicators of patriotism. it doesn't mean very much if you do it (nixon did it, and he made a mockery of the office of the president and the US, as an instance). yet NOT doing such a thing, it raises questions. sort of irrational.

there's actually another lesser known instance of this. the phrase "god bless america" to end a speech. bush and clinton and reagan used this phrase quite often- but guess whom started this trend?

...nixon.

gunnut

If these practices were around back then, do you think they would refuse to participate?

Right. It's just a minor gesture. Not a very big deal. So why refuse?

I don't know much about Nixon. I heard he didn't know about Watergate. It was his underlings who were responsible. He took the blame for them.

Kansas Bear

No problem. Just being honest.

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JAD_333

Because he wasn't generalizing (yet). To quote him: "Sir I beg to differ. White people have no problems with a black man in power."

Where's the word "most"?

I had to moderate my statement in a follow-on post when called out on it: "The "we" I wrote in "we whites" refers to whites in general." Meaning some, but not all.

Probably Gunnut was generalizing, but he has yet to say so.