Obama Shaken, Rattled, and Rolled - Page 4

JAD_333 · 05-01-2008, 13:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Oh Jad, can't I have any fun at all

Of course, Pari; I wouldn't want to spoil your fun. Down under English is rich in appropriate adjectives...have at it.

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 13:42 PM

I wouldn't even consider calling McCain an Assclown. i think I know why liberals loose elections they have too much respect

gunnut · 05-01-2008, 13:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

I wouldn't even consider calling McCain an Assclown. i think I know why liberals loose elections they have too much respect

Even when they don't, they still lose. Ever wonder why? Maybe, just maybe, their messages suck.

ba1025 · 05-01-2008, 13:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Even when they don't, they still lose. Ever wonder why? Maybe, just maybe, their messages suck.

O wait....they won big in 06 nm

gunnut · 05-01-2008, 16:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

O wait....they won big in 06 nm

After 14 years of republican domination in the Congress.

Dems won not because people liked the dems, but because Bush and the republican congress ditched their conservative base and the principle of limited government.

It was not a vote for the dems. It was a vote against the republicans. You can tell by the even lower ratings of this congress compared to the previous one.

m1tch311 · 05-01-2008, 16:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

After 14 years of republican domination in the Congress.

Dems won not because people liked the dems, but because Bush and the republican congress ditched their conservative base and the principle of limited government.

It was not a vote for the dems. It was a vote against the republicans. You can tell by the even lower ratings of this congress compared to the previous one.

I agree, the rep's lost there conservative base and split. I think know the dem's are splitting and ripping each other apart. Intresting election, if i could id vote McCain even thoughs hes a moderate. Im getting my mom to vote for Hillary in the NC primary to stir up strife.

astralis · 05-01-2008, 17:39 PM

ba,

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i think I know why liberals loose elections they have too much respect

i doubt that's why they lost against bush in 2004.

JAD_333 · 05-01-2008, 19:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

I wouldn't even consider calling McCain an Assclown. i think I know why liberals loose elections they have too much respect

Too much respect isn't respect, but I doubt you are interested in precision on that score.

There are no clowns among the 3 candidates left in the presidential race; there are only serious candidates with different perspectives and different solutions to problems. In choosing one, you reject the others. In governing, however, you cannot accomplish anything without the other. It would be best, therefore, to campaign with a degree of respect, not too much, of course, just in case you win.

JAD_333 · 05-01-2008, 19:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

After 14 years of republican domination in the Congress.

Dems won not because people liked the dems, but because Bush and the republican congress ditched their conservative base and the principle of limited government.

It was not a vote for the dems. It was a vote against the republicans. You can tell by the even lower ratings of this congress compared to the previous one.

Gunnut:

You could also credit the fact that Bush's governing mandate was razor thin making it hard for for him to advance the GOP agenda without major compromises with the dems. He got his tax cut, Iraq, Medicare prescription benefits, and AIDs relief for Africa, among other initiatives by bargaining with the dems, and you know what that leads to. The pendulum can swing only so far in a 2-party system. The party that grabs the middle eventually wins power and that is usually the party that is out of power.

dalem · 05-01-2008, 20:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

Because he has repudiated Wright's statements.
Because his own public statements as a Senator do not jibe with Wright's.
Because he has inside access to government operations. Wright does not.
Because he is not Wright (no pun intended).
Because his upbringing better enables him to judge the errors in black stereotyping of whites.
Because it is unfair to hold him accountable for what other people say.
Because many white politicians who know him, trust him.
Because he is too intelligent to buy into Wright's twisted viewpoint.

So his most important mentor is a crazy racist eugenicist, but Obama's not?

-dale

dalem · 05-01-2008, 20:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ba1025

I wouldn't even consider calling McCain an Assclown. i think I know why liberals loose elections they have too much respect

Right. Respect. That's the adjective most people think of when they think of "liberals" these days.

-dale

JAD_333 · 05-01-2008, 23:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

So his most important mentor is a crazy racist eugenicist, but Obama's not?

-dale

Counselor, do not lead the witness.

Most important? Every young man has mentors; one may be the most important at a given time.

But to answer your question. Obama is not a crazy racist eugenicist. I don't know about Wright wearing all 3 of those labels, but there is plenty of evidence on the 2 last ones.

BTW, NPR interviewed some leading black ministers about Wright's current spotlight grab and his "damn" statement. All agreed that they know of no other black minister who would say something like that. Only one of the 4 defended in general. Two thought he was hurting Obama's candidacy; otherwise they all said many black ministers in Wright's arm of the black church share his AIDS suspicions and tend to sound racist, but that has been a main staple of some black churches for years; Only 1 said his members were upset with Wright.

JAD_333 · 05-01-2008, 23:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Right. Respect. That's the adjective most people think of when they think of "liberals" these days.

-dale

Allow me to correct you. That should read "too much respect."

dalem · 05-02-2008, 04:01 AM

Liberals these days do not pay even lip service to respect, whether a little, just right, or too much.

As for the rest, Obama is the one who placed Wright as his most significant mentor.

-dale

JAD_333 · 05-02-2008, 22:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

Liberals these days do not pay even lip service to respect, whether a little, just right, or too much.

I see my sarcastic joke fell flat.

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As for the rest, Obama is the one who placed Wright as his most significant mentor.

I don't recall him saying "significant", but the effect is much the same. However the term most often used is "spiritual advisor."

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(2007)Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”

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