gunnut

He'll just blame "the man" for Obama's loss and the black (at least his) community will buy it.

It almost feels like he's deliberately hampering Obama's chances because he didn't want to see his "victimhood" being jeopardized by a successful man of color.

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dalem

I don't know about the "wheels within wheels" aspect. I tend to not attribute motivations to malice when simple ignorance usually fits the bill.

-dale

JAD_333

Ignorance and malice go hand in hand. But ok, we can start with ignorance.

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JAD_333

The black community is not monolithic; look at it from the position of a supporter seeing events in real time and forget color. Wright comes along a rips the scab off a recent controversy involving your candidate; how do you pin that on someone else?


His victimhood was safe until he used it to get the spotlight. IMO he loves the spotlight, which is not a rare trait among bible-pounding preachers, and let the chips fall where they may.

astralis

JAD,

don't you get the feeling that the first speech obama made bout wright was a warning to wright to please just shut up? and when wright failed to oblige, well...

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gunnut

I'm sorry. I should have been more explicit when I said "his" community. By that I mean those who would join his church and cheer his sermons. A great deal of black people don't buy it. And of course a good deal will buy it half way, in addition to those who buy it hook, line, and sinker.

I agree. He's just looking for his 15 minutes. But doesn't it look just a little bit suspicious? Like Karl Rove is pulling the strings behind the scenes...

JAD_333

No, but I did get a feeling he was trying to have it both ways...sticking by his pastor while repudiating his outlandish sermons.

There was a lot of discussion today on a couple of stations including WMAU as to why the other candidates are not being called to account for off-the-wall statements their religious supporters make, e.g. McCain at Liberty and Fallwell's statement that US brought 9/11 on itself (for which he later apologized), etc. I think that's a stretch. We can't hold candidates
responsible for everything weird their supporters or friends say, but its worth a second look when it's coming from someone close like a pastor.

By now we ought to be satisfied that Obama isn't a Wright clone. He had his moment of painful explanation and did reasonably well. But he's still getting heavy and perhaps unfair heat for Wright's statements, and all the other candidates know it. But pouring gasoline on controversies like this, regardless of their logic, is a temptation few partisans can resist.

JAD_333

I would agree that a sizeable portion of the black community still has a kneejerk reaction against whites when something like this happens. I wonder whether Wright's former congregation is with him on what he's doing now. Do they see him as a spoiler?


lol...well, if we slip into conspriacy mode, anything is possible and it won't be long before the conspiracy crowd has it all figured out. But here's another take. Obama was a lost soul when ex-Marine Wright met him; Obama poured out his feelings, fears, whatever to him. Now Wright is watching this "wimp" rise to the top of the white world, aiming to be the president of the government he teaches is the problem for blacks. But despite being a member of his flock, Obama is not toeing to the message he teaches. Perhaps that is a disappointment and he is striking back.

Another possibility is that Wright wants to make himself seem as outrageous as possible inviting Obama to take more shots at him. In that way, people will be more convinced that Obama doesn't agree with Wright. So, in one senario, Wright is slapping Obama down as a straying member of the flock and in the other he creating a greater distance between them.

dalem

Why?

-dale

JAD_333

Because he has repudiated Wright's statements.
Because his own public statements as a Senator do not jibe with Wright's.
Because he has inside access to government operations. Wright does not.
Because he is not Wright (no pun intended).
Because his upbringing better enables him to judge the errors in black stereotyping of whites.
Because it is unfair to hold him accountable for what other people say.
Because many white politicians who know him, trust him.
Because he is too intelligent to buy into Wright's twisted viewpoint.

Parihaka

Indeed. Crucify the man for why he IS an ass-clown, rather than for why Wright is.

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gunnut

Oh he's an assclown. How else do you explain his plan to make gasoline cheaper by taxing the oil companies?

Parihaka

Exactly

JAD_333

Now we're cooking. Except why is it necessary to distract from perfectly good rebuttals to bad ideas, which is what name calling does.

Parihaka

Oh Jad, can't I have any fun at all