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Originally Posted by Ironduke
Yes, but an aversive racist will reject the black on factors other than race, at a rate much higher than whites sharing those same attributes, without the realization they're doing so. Read above. A covert racist would purposefully find reasons not to hire or admit just because the applicant is black.
It is possible to racially discriminate without intentionally do so? The answer is yes. And that's where we find aversive racism. The body of research on the matter supports these conclusions.
Another study includes job applications, where there are large disparities for followup interviews between candidates with "normal white" names, and stereotypical black names, with otherwise identical applications. Another would include the disparity in which white people extend help to a white or black person in apparent medical distress in studies on the bystander effect. Another, already mentioned, measures the huge disparity between the rate in which people coded as white liberals prematurely hang up on a black man calling for help.
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Duke, where are these white people who don't realize they prefer to avoid interacting with black people? Davidio tosses out "factors other than race" like names and dialects can't be defined in black and white terms when many times they can be. And because his white subjects can't see black skin, any aversive behavior correlating with name or dialect/vocal quality is subconscious in nature. Is that right?
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What you're arguing is that it's impossible to commit racial discrimination unless a person consciously holds racist views. Which is dead wrong. Racial discrimination can occur among people who are strongly opposed to racism and possess egalitarian values. And it doesn't extend to just feeling awkward in a black family's living room, it extends to situations in which the outcomes are genuinely harmful.
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I think Barack has the benefit of recongnizing how anxious people are of their own ignorance of each other, or maybe the anxiety drives the ignorance. Regardless, desegregation does not = integration. Integration is an affirmative action. There may be disincentives working against white employers. But people who
choose not to act affirmatively by hiring a white person over a black of similar qualities are sure as hell stalling integration. Again, who these colorblinds are that hire a white over a black subconsciously, they must be missing a few chromosomes.
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Back to the argument, I doubt that Obama has experienced segregation. I doubt that he's been flung 20 feet by a water cannon. I doubt he's had the crap beaten out of him because he's black. I doubt he's been called a n* to his face. As a matter of fact, I'll bet he's seen more positive than negative discrimination in his life.
As the resident expert on Obama, perhaps you could prove otherwise, citing the man himself.
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Again, as a white person you're automatically talking out your ass here. I no more understand what its like to live a black man than you do. I just acknowledge my ignorance where you turn it into political fire and character assassination. If you want specifics, Obama's been called a coon and a ******, and I won't try to understand what that's like because I can't. Apparently you can?
03-30-2008, 03:20 AM
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