JAD_333

[quote=Bigfella;473634]No apology necessary, but appreciated. Your point is well taken. Conservatives and liberals can disagree with their ostensible brethern on some issues. For example, I disagree with those who say Wright is a racist, but happily the disagreement is really over the definition of racist. I have yet to find anything Wright said that maintains that black skinned people are intrinsically superior to white skinned people.



He has the advantage of extensive education, being the offspring of a mixed marriage, and the perspective of high elected office from which to examine racism in America objectively--from both sides--and at the same time to experience it subjectively as a black man.

I think he represents the end game in the struggle for racial equality. He realizes that there must come a time, as in any struggle, when the leaders of the struggle must have the courage to give way as the goal they sought to acheive becomes reality. I think he has faith in both races and believes he can be the catalyst for bringing them together.

But the danger we're facing is that Wright and other blacks leaders like him show no sign of yielding to progress; either they have become too comfortable in their roles or they are blinded by the past. A black president could be a powerful counterweight, or he could be simply dismissed by Wright and others as an Uncle Tom. As for myself, I have no objection to a black president. I would even welcome one so we can get past it. But I put more emphasis on where a candidate stands on the whole range of issues facing the country.

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dalem

How does an incident about poor thinking and/or poor political decisionmaking get turned into a "discussion about race" by a candidate who doesn't want to talk about race?

This is silly.

-dale

JAD_333

Dale, your characterization of the incident is an opinion. Many would agree with you. I agree to an extent, but surely you don't mean to criticize efforts to get below the surface.

As for Obama not wanting to talk about race before now, what's your point? Why should he have talked about race any more than Hillary? He was campaigning as an American, not as a black.

Well, of course, now race has been shoved to the forefront, and he has no choice. It didn't happen, so we are expected to believe, because he's black, but because his pastor is black and appears to be a delusional drama queen in his criticism of the US and the white power structure.

Now he has come out and disavowed the outlandish portion of his pastor's sermons but won't disown the religious connection he has with him. And that sticks in your craw because conventional political wisdom says he should have left the church a long time ago if he disagreed with his pastor's sermons.

I'd have to agree with you that appearances aren't in Obama's favor, but beyond appearances we simply don't know whether our suspicions are true. Is Obama a closet Wright? Is he a racist? Is he dangerous because he listens to far-out black pastors? That's what we're exploring now...silly as it may seem to you.

JAD_333

Well, Hillary has chimed in.





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dalem

He said, many times, exactly that, but what does he do when his decision-making is challenged? Reverts to a "I'll answer as a black man." Fagh.

Based on those things I conclude he MAY BE some or all of those things, and since the only reason I find the daylight maneuver in that hole is Obama's poor troubleshooting, I also conclude that my call of months ago - that he is a lightweight with no executive ability - is accurate.

-dale

JAD_333

Well, if he was a giraffe...


No credit for honesty? Ok, let's address honesty. Obama pulled a classic politician's stunt when he horned in on a press conference right after the immigration bill was hammered out. He stood before the cameras and gave credit to all the work the conferees did on the bill that HE AND..." had proposed. Blatently misleading; he hadn't even been to the meeting. Some time later there was another meeting on the bill and he showed up late and started asking "good" questions, as one senator put it, but ones that had already been covered earlier. He was asked to can it...

Hillary has pulled similar stunts...claiming credit for the child heath care law and just recently claiming she had to dodge sniper fire on her visit to Bosnia back when she was first lady...


Now, you're talking turkey. That's one good reason of many why I wouldn't vote for him.

-dale[/quote]

Ironduke

Heh, credit-claiming is the #2 activity politicians engage in. It's right behind position-taking.

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Ironduke

She's probably chimed in (finally) to get the heat off her lie about running and ducking to avoid sniper fire on a Bosnian airstrip. Somebody should have asked her what it sounds a bullet makes when flying by one's head.

Ironduke

I don't think Obama has experienced true racism... except perhaps aversive racism, the type which is so common among liberals who pride themselves on not being racist.

dalem

That's definitely her Christmas in Cambodia moment so far, only this time the weak stream press actually called her on it.

That is one deep hole she's dug herself.

-dale

Ironduke

It just never ends...

glyn

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Dreadnought

Glyn,
Ministries here in the U.S. are also used quite often as "tax shelters". It has been a game for a very long time especially in low income areas. And yes I do agree you can be mad as a box of frogs as still be a Minister. However I dont think you will find racially charged politics and religion mixing very often in most other religions "houses". From what this man has stated you draw a very good relation with the box of frogs analogy. He does more damage then he does good preaching this ilk.

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FibrillatorD

True racism? What's that

glyn