gunnut

I thought they sounded like black supremicists.

I'm not saying there is no racism in this country. There is. But there is racism in all of us. Doesn't matter what color. We all have our prejudices. Wright has his. And that's what I'm getting at.

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jth298

Kudos and respect to you JAD. You slice right through to the core of this debate and elevate it back to the level that it ought to be discussed.

JAD_333

hmmm...well, the concluding paragraph of their mission statement is hardly the stuff of supremacists... "W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ."

There are two good workable definitions of racism and both can be found Webster's dictionary:

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

People often confuse color-deliniated cultural indentity as racism. That's your black-pride, etc. Simply recognizing racial differences is not racism as defined for purposed of communication. Well, I don't want to get too picky about word meanings, except the next time someone uses the word racism it would be nice if we were on the same sheet of music.

So, are you black, or not? Many moons ago, you told me you were.

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JAD_333

jth:

Thank you for your encouraging words.

--jad

beka

Personally, I do think that many of us whites don't understand what blacks go through and still go through, and I think we need to remember that we might have a big chip on our shoulders if we experienced what they did. This is especially the case for Wright who grew up during segregation.

Still, I'm extremely upset that Obama decided to throw his own grandmother into the political fire. His Grandmother is not a political figure, and she's not giving interviews, partly because the Obama campaign doesnt' want to. The woman raised him, was the main bread winner of the family. She and her husband sacrificed big time to make sure he had a home and went to the best schools.

And Obama's repayment is to trash the woman, in front of the entire world. His book mentioned the incident, and apparently if this is the case, Grandma was afraid because the guy was an agressive panhandler who blocked her way to the bus. She didn't even tell Obama the man was black, his Gramps did. Even Jessie Jackson made a comment once about being afraid of black men on the straight. Not a right comment, but is Jessie racist?

Honestly, I'm far more upset about how Obama treated his grandmother than I am over Wright. To use your own Grandmother for political gain, is beyond low... And notice how he mentioned how Grandma loved him, he didn't mention loving her. What a tool. And honestly, it does feel like, because Obama had to criticize his African American pastor, he decided to throw up a member of his "white family." It's sick. And as someone said, don't think that Whites, Asians, and Latinos didn't see that one.

Honestly, the rest of the speech was a great one, and I feel bad that I can't concentrate on that. But all I can personally think about is a poor, sickly (very poor health) old lady, who sacrificed all her life for her family. And then gets rampaged in front of the World by her own Grandson as a racist. Which is basically the worst thing you can call a white person.

(And honestly, I'd be upset if Barak treated an African American relative who raised and supported him this way). You don't have to announce your family's faults to the world. Whatever happened to respecting your elders?

gunnut

No I didn't. When did I ever write that? I may have written "I ain't white."

ofelas

For what it's worth -

"Steve Sailer writes a particularly poignant post with quotes from Obama’s own book on incidents with his grandmother — and it’s a must-read that will leave you choked with rage at Obama and sorrow for his grandmother who did so much for him. (Yes, the amusing poster, to your right, is from Sailer’s blog.) Again, his full post is a must-read, but here’s an excerpt:

According to Obama’s 1995 book, it is not at all true that she “once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.” Instead, she once confessed her fear of one aggressive black beggar who didn’t pass by her but instead confronted her, demanded money, and then gave her — an intelligent, level-headed woman who had worked her way up to a mid-level corporate management position — good reason to believe he would have violently mugged her if her bus hadn’t pulled up."

dalem

Depends on what he said, and how often. I would think you'd have to concede that there is a line for such things for everyone no matter what the relationship, yes?

Again, religion informs faith, morals, and ideals.

Blah blah blah. "Disadvantaged" my a$$, these days. It's 2008, get over it.

And blacks (and liberal whites) keep it important. I'm beyond tired of it.

It's a helluva lot worse now than it was 20 years ago. Thanks to supervictims and guilt craving liberals.

But it's not simply Wright's words that need repudiation - Obama has to admit that his own choices in this area for the last 20 years were poor.

You're touching on the core of the problem - it's an irrecoverable mistake in the eyes of many many people, certainly including anyone who has my ideals.

You don't think that Wright's remarks were that bad, you think they have a justifiable basis, so you think Obama can lie with dogs and come away with no fleas, so to speak. The dog simply doesn't have fleas in your version of the metaphor.

No. References like that are merely calls for enclavism, ethnicism, and tribalism. They have no place in our current society and should have died almost 50 years ago. An entire generation or two of Americans, like me, were raised to believe in the "melting pot" - origins and ethnic characteristics are tertiary, or at best secondary items in the measure of any person, and are subsumed by the overarching label of "American". I really believe that and I think it makes perfect sense. Anything or anyone who tries to drag me back to the days of this nation where Jim Crow or abject slavery or "No Irish wanted" or "Italians need not apply" or whatever, earns my ire.

It makes me very very angry.

Guilt by association is my whole point here.

Please. Wright's church's mission statement is all about black black black. Being black is obviously more important to Wright than being an American. Stir in his sermons and I see a blatant racist. What you see after all that is your affair, of course.

He "owed" more than that. He owed an explanation as to why he embraced the man for 20 years. His reason? Because his granny ain't perfect either? Weak tea. Very weak tea.

-dale

ofelas

Breaking News >> State Dept. to Respond to Reports of Breach of Obama's Passport File.

Ironduke

What does that have to do with this subject?

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Bella

Like I've said on other posts, I've been out of town for awhile and my Internet has been down for quite some time, but............
After hearing Obama's Pastor rant on and on about racial issues!!!
Obama just lost my vote!! I don't care who you are! This Pastor should only care about delivering the message of GOD!!, not racism!!
Who does he think he is Jesse Jackson??.................Oh!!!!!........He has definitely lost my vote!!

Just imagine if there was a current day "WHITE" President that had Pastor, Father, or whatever that had a bunch of anti-black views!!! Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the whole crew would be out in force!!

I'm not even white, but I know that "IF" John McCain, or Hillary had a KKK religious leader that openly spoke like this a**, their campaign would be over!
Maybe that is why Obama's Pastor retired, and will no talk to the media!
He knows he scre*** Obama's chances!!

Maybe.............

dalem

It's not about Wright's race and I refuse to get drawn into that. It's about his obviously deeply-held anti-American comments and beliefs, and Obama's long term acceptance of Wright as an ideological mentor.

That's all there is. Not what color Obama's skin is or isn't, or whether Wright is a racist or not.

-dale

Ironduke

Obama on a radio show today:
The reference to his grandmother in his speech after the Wright controversy exploded:

ofelas

The subject being Obama's patriotism and allegiances. A passport file being indicative, at the very least.

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