tphuang

There are a lot of people in America that goes to church just to show they carry some form of religious life. What Obama needs to do is really come clean on what he believes, where his faith lies before this thing gets really ugly.

JAD_333

Your point to prove. You do the google and show us.

Show us.



They weren't pastors of Reagan or Bush and as far as I know they weren't members of either's campaign organization.

What looks bad for Obama is not what his pastor said, but that his pastor was on one of his advisory committees until a few days ago.

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kmchugh

The elephant in the living room here, which seems to be roundly ignored by the media, is the blatant racism displayed by Wright. No, it does not surprise me that media ignores it, because the media buys into the oh so PC premise that there is no such thing as anti-white racism among the black community. "Blacks aren't racist, they are simply angry at what white America has done to them." Hogwash. I live in the south, and see racism every day. But that racism is a two way street.

The message that Wright preached, and which I have yet to see Obama repudiate, is that all of the problems, poverty, and crime that exist in black America are the fault of white America. Of course, that's the easy way out. If your problems are not of your own making, if you are being held down by "the man," then you cannot be held accountable for your own actions.

All of which ties neatly into Obama's social outlook. Society's ills are the fault of society, and there is no such thing as personal responsibility.

I could not vote for ANY racist. I don't care what color his/her skin is, and I don't care which race s/he chooses to hate.

Kevin

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Dreadnought

Was thinking he must be related to Sharpton and Jackson. Not only his knowledge and intentions but his vocabulary as well. Nuff said.

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gunnut

Wright can't possibly be a racist. He's not white.

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Skull6

I'm looking into the timeliness of this being brought to the press...& left wondering which of Billary's cronies actually delivered it to them.

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lwarmonger

Doesn't matter... it was only a matter of time once Obama's free ride was over.

JohnFlint1985

The fun part about all Obama explanations is - he was a member for 20 years and never heard anything like it. I found this impossible to believe. You have to be completely retarded guy to go to the church for so long and never pay attention. And i am positive this "preacher" didn't start just now. Even in these clips he is all the time has different clothes - so it is repeating pattern.

I overheard this on Fox, which is the problem in a nutshell:

“DEMS will forgive OBAMA for anything…but this Wright stuff is a KILLER FOR THE DEMS IN THE GENERAL.”

The pundits, his apologists and hardcore supporters can spin till they’re blue in the face, but this is the reality we’re dealing with.

Oh, and be prepared for media gushing over his speech tomorrow. Just a warning.

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JohnFlint1985

On another forum I am being branded as a racist on a daily basis - because I say things openly. I am taking this as a complement these days since I never was and never will be a racist.

JAD_333

It's legitimate to ask whether Obama agrees with the radical sermons his pastor delivers from time to time, but the way the issue is being thrown at us is an insult to our intelligence.

I do not support Obama for political reasons, but this is not the way I want him to go down. Better he gets tweezered in a Spitzer.

I want my truth about his church and his pastor not to be some kneejerk commentator's truth, but what I can find out for myself.

To get a little flavor, I went to his church's website, and the first thing that shows up is a clip of the President of the United Church of Christ praising the work of the church and its sr. pastor, Jeramiah Wright. The president is white, sober and well received. Listen to it.

Trinity United Church of Christ

Nothing untoward in the church's mission statement eiither. It speaks of bringing all people together.

Trinity United Church of Christ

A little more background on the United Church of Christ. Again a white member shares her experience. A little too much white here, but, hey...

Trinity United Church of Christ

Finally, here are Rev Wright's talking points. Rather benign.

Trinity United Church of Christ

The picture that comes through is anything but radical. Seems like a vibrant congregation, strongly mainstream Christian, respectful of all races, and the kind of place someone in search of a religious experience might find a warm welcome. I can see how an Obama in search of faith and fellowship might be attracted to it.

Given this picture, Wright's radical sermons, obviously directed at the so-called white establishment, seem completely out of place. Not only do they contradict his own mission statement, but they reveal an almost contrived ignorance of history and geopolitics.

So, as to the question, did Obama know of his pastor's overall political views? Probably. As a Illinois legislator and later a Senator, I am sure Wright paid him some special deference and chatted him up. But did Obama agree with his radical views? I doubt it. Obama as a US Senator would have a completely different perspective.

That brings us to the next question, the one that has the media in a dither: Did Obama know about Wright's "God damn America" sermon and others like it? That's tougher to answer, because what's really at issue here is whether Obama was actively or passively aware of them.

If he was actively aware, he would have known they might rub off on him, in which case inviting Wright to be in his campaign as a member of his Afro-American religious advisory committee was incredibly stupid. If he really shared Wright's views, wouldn't it be wiser to conceal it by publicaly keeping Wright at arm's length?

Nothing Obama has said in his campaign supports the conclusion that he shares Wright's views or is much influenced by him politically. More likely this is just another case of Obama's youthful naiviete in which he never dreamed that the public would take him to task for his pastor's radical statements. Welcome to politics.

gunnut

I saw and heard a good portion of Obama's "damage control" speech.

My initial observation is that it was a well written speech. Kudos to the writers. It had something for everyone. He tried to distance himself from Wright while at the same time tried to explain why Wright had these radical views.

Obama also did something that no other black politicians did. He tried to explain to his consituancy, the very liberal black votes, why sometimes whites and other groups are resentful of their movement. Immigrants don't enjoy the "white" priviledge. They had to work hard to earn everything they have now so they don't like the "hand out" mentality of affirmative action.

Finally Obama spoke how to fix this country in the way only a true socialist can, more government. He attacked corporations and special interests. Asked for more government in our schools. Spoke about how we should all come together and build a socialist paradise. Well, not in those exact words, but the intent was there. Government, more government, and nothing but government can solve our problems.

I still say this, I don't trust him not because he's African or black, but because he's a socialist. His message is the same as John Edwards' "two Americas." Except Obama is more subtle about it.

JAD_333

Back to the campaign.

Subject: Classic Quote of the Day

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama

Parihaka

Sorry Jad but snoops rides in on this one, it was a Stein 'all purpose speech'.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Greatest Nation

citanon

YouTube - Best of Jeremiah Wright's Sermons Pt. 1

I'd say that there's quite a bit more than ignorance in those sermons there.

Well, Obama has an answer

So he knew about this. He knew about this because he's known the guy for 20 years and because the comments reflect the spectrum of views in his congregation, but the Rev. was a good guy and never talked about this in person so it was okay.

These are reasonable answers if it was coming from your buddy at work, but from somebody who is supposed to lead the nation? I guess Obama didn't have to lead then, because he wasn't running an election.....

JAD_333

To quick to pass along an email from my sister who I often catch falling for legends. My turn to eat humble pie. Thanks.