Ironduke

Clinton's up big in Pennsylvania.

Rasmussen: 51-38
Strategic Vision: 56-38
SurveyUSA: 55-36
Susquhanna: 45-31
Rasmussen (3/5): 52-37

With that big a margin, she could post a gain of 300,000 - 400,000 votes on Obama.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary

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BudW

Clinton will destroy Obama's chance of winning the general election,thats what kind of person she is if she cant get the nomination its scorcherd earth against Obama.

Akshay

True!! She would go to any length to win the nomination & if not then her best bet would be to handover to democrats a wornout & exhausted candidate in Obama. Obama's loss in general elections could help her nomination in 2012. Otherwise, she won't get a chance before 2016 by which time she would be 70 years old carrying her intestines & checking the teeth every morning to see if they are intact.

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lwarmonger

Well, the idea is to destroy Obama as a candidate so that the superdelegates won't have a choice but to flock for her. I think she has a shot at it, but I also think that smart money is on Obama.

dalem

I don't know which I would enjoy more - a nasty leg sweep by Hillary to get the nomination that fractures the Democratic party, and facing her for the General Election, or having a reeling and damaged Obama to slaughter in November.

I still think I prefer Option A, even though Hillary's the more dangerous opponent.

-dale

JohnFlint1985

As of today they both will never get the number 2025 delegates that they needs to secure the nomination. So both will have to play for super delegates. I have a gut feeling that Obama will be blown away by that after all these scandals and his inability to win any big states. All he won are very undemocratic and questionable caucuses and in deeply red states or states that have a large AA population. Even if he will carry a Wyoming for example (highly unlikely) it has only 3 electoral votes comparing to California that he lost that has 55 electoral votes. Another point is: Hillary supporters are very very pissed at Obama for playing the race card, making himself a "new god", for dirty tricks the DNC is playing with Hillary and for the Big media that was having a love fest with him until very recently. So it is very likely that if Obama is indeed the nominee they will vote for MC Cain in droves. Since he is more of a centrist candidate then Obama with his extremely left wing views and radical left followers. And also I think after this racist preacher scandal - he is finished.

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JAD_333

Mistakes are being made on both sides. Both of them are pissing off each others people.

Obama's reverend problem wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't played it dumb.

Obama's loving followers will blame Miss Hillary and she probably deserves it...

But can the animosity last till November. Post convention all will be sweet forgiveness and unity. If Hillory takes it, Obama's youth corp goes back to fun in the sun. If Obama takes it, we have a race.

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dalem

I dunno. This election cycle has definitely shown my prognosticariousness to be very weak kung fu.

As a conservative and reluctant McCain supporter I just want as much damage to the Democratic party in general for the long term, and Hillary and Obama in detail, as is possible by November. But the chance exists, I think, that I could get the long-term damage I want but still not the result in November I want. The electorate is a pretty tricksy group, I think.

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Kansas Bear

Doesn't the Democratic Party appear to be on the verge of a split?

dalem

Eh, maybe, maybe not. I certainly think so but what the heck do I know that's really relevant to the question? I don't think we'll know until after the election.

-dale

Osiris

Florida is not going to vote again. Chance's are they'll split the delegates or not seat them, neither of which helps Hillary.

lwarmonger

Hurts the dems in both Florida and Michigan though. This election cycle is going to be unconventional right up until the end.

gunnut

It's kinda ironic that the dems biitched moaned and whined after 2000 to "count every vote" so as to "not disenfranchise" any voter. Now they're about to "disenfranchise" an entire block of their own voters.

What the hell is "disenfranchise?" Are there any "enfranchised" voters? Because I know I am very "gruntled" about how dems are shooting themselves in the foot.

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Osiris

Disenfranchise:To deprive a person of the right to vote.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying you don't know what enfranchisement is. No one has a right to vote in the primaries. The parties can do whatever they want. Having an undemocratic primary process looks bad, but I don't see how anyone can complain if Obama gets the nomination after winning the popular vote.

gunnut

Well, does everyone have the "right" to vote in any election? Are primaries more discriminatory than general elections? We attach all sorts of conditions to voting. People who can't follow instructions and screw up shouldn't have their votes counted.

Here's a party that screamed about "count every vote" and then turns around to tell its own people to sit and spin. I thought that's pretty ironic. Don't you?