Bluesman

But it's one or the other.

Check out THIS whopper:

Either he was never told this AT ALL, or else he WAS told this and knows so dam' little about the military that he grossly misunderstood the facts, or he couldn't tell he was gettin' his chain royally yanked.

Either way, he's unfit to be Commander-in-Chief.

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Bluesman

A liar, an idiot, or a dupe. 'Republican' is the only acceptable vote in '08.

lwarmonger

My vote is on idiot/dupe. I don't think Obama is a liar, at least no more than every politician has to be, but he is clearly not suited to be a wartime president.

gunnut

Maybe the "army captain" was a democrat operative in disguise. Obama truely believed he talked to a real soldier.

Not many civilians know a captain commands a rifle company. Least of all a civie democrat.

I think Obama was just being an useful idiot.

Or maybe he's an evil genius planted by the muslims 40 years ago in this country...

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gunnut

Heard a new term to describe the Obama cult today.

Obamanation.

Exarecr

Obamessiah? Obamanation? Man I had a face full of coffee when I read that ,please warn us when it's going to be funny. Got brown splashes all over my screen!

Ironduke

Hillary Clinton just said something about this whole "messiah" thing at a rally in Rhode Island a few minutes ago...

Something like "the heavens will open up, the light will shine down, the celestial choirs will descend and start playing, and the world will be perfect, etc., etc."

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rj1

We elected one of those in 2000.

Part of this "messiah complex" as it's called by Hillary and others is this country's generation war is taking place in this election.

The people younger than the Baby Boomers have realized that the Baby Boomers have f***ed this country up, and this is the younger generation trying to grab power away from the older generation. So naturally the younger generation that supports Obama sees this election as a larger-than-life issue. The Baby Boomers should be used to it, they did it themselves in the sixties and seventies.

(P.S. I'm not an Obama supporter, this is just my take on the situation.)

lwarmonger

Difference is, this younger generation isn't being asked to go off and fight in this war. Those of us who volunteer tend to vote Republican anyways.

Hell, conscription is the only reason you saw mass protests in the 1960's and 70's against Vietnam. No conscription, no incentive for people who don't like the way the country is going to do anything about it.

rj1

I agree, and it is a key difference between today and the 1970s.

I think maybe the threat of it all the same might be driving some of it. When my father got back from his second tour of Iraq he was expecting a draft, told me I don't want to deal with this, and I should prepare to move to Canada. His expectations for the future have never come to pass thankfully.

Although as a counter to your point, there is no conscription, and those people still care enough about this election even without that incentive. What's that tell you?

Bluesman

No, but we did four years earlier, and four years before THAT.

And this guy wants to lose it as quickly as possible, even as it's almost been won. THIS makes him a savior?

No, thanks. I'll stick to a regular statesman; my soul doesn't need anything a politician is able to give it, but my country needs a competent leader. He doesn't fit even the basic requirements.

While it's true that the youth ALWAYS think they've got something on the ball that their elders do not (and you seem to believe this yourself), it's always just arrogance and hubris that leads them into this obvious delusion. The only thing more convinced of his own goodness and wisdom than a half-educated young person is an altruistic do-gooder of a left-wing zealot that never outgrew his foolishness, and that looks back in fondness on those heady days when they were re-making the world.

And I despise them both.

Thanks. It was very revealing.

Bluesman

Tells me they're convinced of their moral superiority and wisdom.

I'm not as convinced of that myself, though.

rj1

"Everyone's opinion is that they're sane and the rest of the world around them is mad." -paraphrased Latin proverb

Yup. I'm not the one trying to recreate the late 1980s Soviet Union.

And I'm sure my kids will have the same opinion about me and my generation.

I've yet to notice an inkling of military know-how from either G.W. Bush or W. Clinton. This is what happens when you elect dumbass Ivy Leaguers America.

Walking Dead

A bit off-topic but, in the same ball park.

Obama’s Record Slim on Senate Foreign Relations Committee - You Decide 08!

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Dreadnought

Well IMO,
The know how is that ONE chose to do nothing when he could have and certainly should have. The other ONE decided to take the fight to them and with it all the blame. History will judge Bush better then the boomers,hippies and democrats ever will.

Giving the White House to either of the two Dems is a nightmare waiting to happen. Neither with experience where they need have experience.

I still side with McCain.

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