entropy

Obaminable, isn't it?

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If memory serves...

lwarmonger

If there was a wretching smiley, I would be using it right now. The writers strike is over! Spare us!

gunnut

Correction, the socialists have f'ed up this country, doesn't matter young or old.

If the younger generation really wants to fix this problem, they would analyze Obama's campaign rhetoric and figure out it's pretty much the same old socialist medicine packaged in a shiny new box.

Go to Obama's site: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Economy

Look at those issues he listed point by point.


I can go down the list and ask questions on every single one of his proposals. All of them are the same. It offers a little bit of government money for a specific portion of the population. In effect, he's buying votes with tax dollars. He's not making any tough decisions to fix our problems. He's just dumping more money onto the problems without fixing the root cause.

Running a nation is like running a household. You don't have unlimited budget to buy everything you want to keep everyone happy. We have to make choices. Buy that big screen I always wanted or take a vacation? Fix the house or buy a car for junior? Retire early or pay for kid's college tuition?

We make these choices everyday. Why can't our government?

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gunnut

Only if he's the snowman...

astralis

Army general: 'No reason to doubt' Obama's story - CNN.com

interesting- i thought it was a bit implausible myself, but...

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Bigfella

I think its pretty clear that General Casey is either the biggest liar or the most credulous dupe. Or perhaps he's just an idiot unfit for high command.

Right?

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Shek

Bigfella,

A closer reading of GEN Casey's remarks is in order, as there is no context to Obama's remarks and the broadbrush stroke of article linked by Astralis is weak.

Obama's beating a drum that is over a Presidential election old, and what GEN Casey states clearly shows that the case being made by Obama is an incorrect extrapolation. I'm sure the headlines are a reaction to GOP reaction over the remarks, so from that perpecitve it is a fair headline, but in terms of the specific issue, the headlines miss the story that Obama's conclusions based on this case is just flat wrong.

From my experience, I have never heard of a rifle platoon split up for separate deployments. I have heard of units that deployed short of men because of the timing of folks ending their service, which makes them non-deployable (unless stop-lossed, which based on the time frame here, the stop-loss had been temporarily lifted), but that would also lead to the conclusion that Obama's case that Iraq hurt this unit's fight in Afghanistan as being incorrect. I've heard of specialty skills platoons being split up, but that's because they are designed to be split for actual operations.

Folks were correct to jump on Obama's remarks as they don't pass the initial smell test. GEN Casey's remarks could simply be a way to diffuse the situation and remove the military from the middle of a partisan fight, while preventing the officer in question from becoming a partisan target when it simply could have been a misunderstanding by Obama (e.g., maybe the platoon was short due to end of term non-deployables, but Obama misunderstood and made a misstatement).

I decline your false dichotomy

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Shek

10 MD and 82 ABN DIV did provide squads to USASOC to provide extra firepower for direct action during DS/DS, OEF and OIF.

COBRA 2 disusses as does some books on Gulf War

Not a regualr occurence but did happen

Rangers get tapped more for that, though.

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dalem

I know I'm just a stinky civvy, but I wish Obama and some of his a$$clown followers would simply read Atkinson's "The Day of Battle". Maybe a few hundred pages of a truly poorly-managed Anzio campaign and the problems and casualties that resulted from it would help reset expectations where warfare is concerned.

Then again, probably not.

I mean seriously. A platoon got deployed (-) and from what I've seen confirmed, was short a vehicle and had to use a couple Russian HMGs on the ones they did have. Even if it's true, boo-frikkin'-hoo.

What's happened to us as a nation?

-dale

Bluesman

Well, one of the things that's about to happen to us is we're going to get to choose if we want a thick brick like Obama to lead the world's foremost military power. Great.

He thinks US troops actually had to capture Taleban weapons and ammo in order to fight (and I'm not sure how they'd even go about doing that). Obviously, he's a military idiot, if that's what he believes, and that one fact should absolutely disqualify him in the eyes of a rational voter.

And BigFella, GEN Casey wasn't commenting on what Obama said, and clearly believes. He was saying that the Army captain probably was telling the truth, but Obama didn't understand him. But you and CNN aren't sharp enough about the subject matter to get that part.

Was the Army captain commenting on his short-manned platoon? Possibly, but his missing soldiers weren't 'detailed off' to Iraq. How 'bout the part where he said that he sometimes ran out of stuff waaaaay out there on the last 1,000 kilometers of the worst logistics challenge in the entire universe of military operations? Probably, but whether we had troops in Iraq or Germany or Hawaii, those challenges would've remained absolutely unchanged. And did Obama hear what he wanted to hear, and twist that into his own narrative of how Bush's idiotic Iraq adventure made warfaighting anywhere else on the planet impossible? UNDOUBTEDLY, because the point is to back up his ridiculous claim that, but for Iraq, Afghanistan would be a clone of Switzerland by now, and he thought he had been told this by an Army captain that had 'been there'. What he doesn't understand is that he misunderstood what he'd been truthfully told, and it was his prejudices that allowed - no, actually REQUIRED - him to misunderstand it.

Ah, but YOU think Casey just confirmed that Obama was CORRECT. He didn't. He said that there was no reason to doubt what the CAPTAIN said was correct, and I agree. But CNN jacked up the headline, and you bought the whole bill of goods, too.

Which is why I believe your intellect is mostly a rumor.

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Bluesman

WRONG.

CNN amd yourself, however, are ill-equipped to offer any insight into whether Obama, yourself, Casey or any given Army officer is qualified for anything at all.

Belt up.

Bigfella

No. I don't know if Obama was right or not & care even less.

I do think Casey confirmed that you are a self-important windbag. You don't like Obama. Gee, what a shock. So why bother to pretend that you need 'proof', however slight, to back it up? Just write 'I hate Obama' a lot. it will have the same argumentitive value OR keep it up & look like an even bigger goose. No skin off mine.

Of course, GOP voters would have a shred of moral high ground on this issue if they hadn't chosen Bush in 2000.

On the upside, you will be unhappy no matter who wins in November. No doubt you will spend the next few years telling everyone on WAB just how unhappy you are in excruciating detail. I plan to enjoy every moment.

You may think that my intellect is a rumour, but I know that your pomposity is an established fact.

lwarmonger

The Democrats chose Gore... and the more he speaks the gladder I am that he lost. His presidency would have been a disaster.

Mobbme

Obamessiah. How about Obama Bin Laden?

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