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Old 02-15-2008, 18:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WE should stop Barack Obama

I was actively involved in the discussions centering on Democratic nomination for president. The more I hear, the more I read and the more I understand - the more I am getting scared at the possibility to see Barack Obama winning the presidency. ON the paper he and Hillary look the same. But the reality cannot be more different. Apparently he is trying to create a wide movement which will bring a liberal revolution so to speak to this country. I myself consider myself a moderate to liberal person. But I see a lot of good ideas on the right side as well. So my approach and America's approach should be - center of the isle instead of extreme right or extreme left.
Also people that are around him - provided some of them will get some high ranking positions in government - it will be catastrophic. Especially given his ideas on foreign policy. We will be engaging Iran in talks while turning our back on our traditional well established allies. It will create a huge problem internationally for us.
I might be mistaken about his real ideas. But his attitude is, frankly, very disturbing.
Any ideas about all that?
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Old 02-15-2008, 19:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am not a fan of Obama, and definitely not a fan of Clinton either. If any of them are elected, they will cut the military. Neither one of them have a clue about the military. Senator Clinton makes it like she has been around since 1776. She tries to count the 8 years she was in the white house like she was a part of things that were going on. Then, she wants to tout her 8 years as a New York senator. What has she done as a New York senator? Not much. She let bloomberg, who switched his party so he would win, run amok. Fee's and more taxes, the MTA cooking the books, and still able to increase fares? When is it going to stop? Plain ridiculous.
I remember in 2004 when Hillary said "Me and my husband supported the military" I was so angry at that blatant lie. Gutting it was supporting them? We should stop the both of them.

Why should someone be forced to buy health care? What about the people that want to rely on natural medicines. They are cheaper and just as effective without the side effects that their counterparts offer. If this country would move on to natural medicines, which a majority of their counterparts are derived from anyway, health care costs associated with medicine would drop substantially. So to fine someone from not buying in to the health care scam is right? Hell no, let people choose on their own free will. If they rely on natural medicine, and therefore would want to cover themselves for hospital visits, and doctor recommendations then let them do so.
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Old 02-15-2008, 20:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Obama, the Platitude Salesman

WASHINGTON — There’s no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns — boat, shoe, clock — by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.
This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity — salvation — for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a “salvational fervor” and “idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria.”

“We are the hope of the future,” sayeth Obama. We can “remake this world as it should be.” Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country — nay, we can become “a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest.”

And believe they do. After eight straight victories — and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow — Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do — maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats — the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.

Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.

ABC’s Jake Tapper notes the “Helter-Skelter cultish qualities” of “Obama worshipers,” what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls “the Cult of Obama.” Obama’s Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience

– to such rhetorical nonsense as “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.

(Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek.”

That was too much for Time’s Joe Klein. “There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism … ,” he wrote. “The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.”
You might dismiss The New York Times’ Paul Krugman’s complaint that “the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality” as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama’s Potomac primary victory speech with “My, I felt this thrill going up my leg.” When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama “comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament.”

I’ve seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.
But even there the object of his countrymen’s unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.

Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He’s going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can’t possibly redeem.

Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran’s President Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war — with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.

Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.

Charles Krauthammer is a 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner, 1984 National Magazine Award winner, and a columnist for The Washington Post since 1985.


Townhall.com::Obama, the Platitude Salesman::By Charles Krauthammer
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Especially given his ideas on foreign policy. We will be engaging Iran in talks while turning our back on our traditional well established allies. It will create a huge problem internationally for us.
Which ally?
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Old 02-15-2008, 20:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Which ally?
Jordan for example
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ahahahaha doubt you meant Jordan. And by the way they have diplomatic and trade relations. Their relations are not great but they do exist. We wouldn't be turning our backs on Jordan by trying to reach a deal with Iran to diffuse regional tensions.

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But even there the object of his countrymen’s unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.
Well this guy being a Canadian should STFU about our election. Nothing worse then a Canadian - much less a Canadian sneaking across our border.
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Old 02-15-2008, 20:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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ahahahaha doubt you meant Jordan. And by the way they have diplomatic and trade relations. Their relations are not great but they do exist. We wouldn't be turning our backs on Jordan by trying to reach a deal with Iran to diffuse regional tensions.



Well this guy being a Canadian should STFU about our election. Nothing worse then a Canadian - much less a Canadian sneaking across our border.
he is not Canadian - he was just born there . But now he is a very well known American journalist. And by the way - it looks like you are also in Kirghistan, so....
But anyways this is not about where are you from - it is Obama's massage that is creepy. And by making Iraq a DE facto colony of Iran our allies like Jordan and Turkey as well - will have a very difficult problem on their hands. the political map and border will be first time altered (without occupation of course by Iran) since 1520.

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I am not a fan of Obama, and definitely not a fan of Clinton either. If any of them are elected, they will cut the military. Neither one of them have a clue about the military. Senator Clinton makes it like she has been around since 1776. She tries to count the 8 years she was in the white house like she was a part of things that were going on. Then, she wants to tout her 8 years as a New York senator. What has she done as a New York senator? Not much. She let bloomberg, who switched his party so he would win, run amok. Fee's and more taxes, the MTA cooking the books, and still able to increase fares? When is it going to stop? Plain ridiculous.
I remember in 2004 when Hillary said "Me and my husband supported the military" I was so angry at that blatant lie. Gutting it was supporting them? We should stop the both of them.

Why should someone be forced to buy health care? What about the people that want to rely on natural medicines. They are cheaper and just as effective without the side effects that their counterparts offer. If this country would move on to natural medicines, which a majority of their counterparts are derived from anyway, health care costs associated with medicine would drop substantially. So to fine someone from not buying in to the health care scam is right? Hell no, let people choose on their own free will. If they rely on natural medicine, and therefore would want to cover themselves for hospital visits, and doctor recommendations then let them do so.
Let's say, you brake a leg badly - you will still rely on natural medicine?
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ahahahaha doubt you meant Jordan. And by the way they have diplomatic and trade relations. Their relations are not great but they do exist. We wouldn't be turning our backs on Jordan by trying to reach a deal with Iran to diffuse regional tensions.



Well this guy being a Canadian should STFU about our election. Nothing worse then a Canadian - much less a Canadian sneaking across our border.
OUCH! All that negativity towards him being Canadian? Or maybe, just maybe, its because your jealous of us? Whats worse than a Canadian? You definately are not better than a Canadian. I hope its because you can't skate or SKI in your mountainous home country and we're doing all sorts of wacky stuff on a few mountains over here Look as you may, but I believe you will NOT find a single canadian who will ever wish bad against the US.

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Heh, it seems i've been defending Canada since joining WAB.
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As for the topic,

I believe Obama should be stopped. Mccain or Clinton. Yes, I said it. Mccain or CLINTON!! GRrrrrrrrrrrrr
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That's John McCain.

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OUCH! All that negativity towards him being Canadian? Or maybe, just maybe, its because your jealous of us? Whats worse than a Canadian? You definately are not better than a Canadian. I hope its because you can't skate or SKI in your mountainous home country and we're doing all sorts of wacky stuff on a few mountains over here
Canada for decades has conducted cross border terrorism against America. The only thing worse then a Canadian is probably a French Canadian or a Soghdian person or some sort of mix of the three -

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he is not Canadian - he was just born there . But now he is a very well known American journalist. And by the way - it looks like you are also in Kirghistan, so....
Being born in Canada makes one a Canadian.

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But anyways this is not about where are you from - it is Obama's massage that is creepy. And by making Iraq a DE facto colony of Iran our allies like Jordan and Turkey as well - will have a very difficult problem on their hands. the political map and border will be first time altered (without occupation of course by Iran) since 1520.
Obama said he was ready to talk with them, not give them Rhode Island. I ain't even planning to vote for him and probably not at all as all three candidates blow, but come on.

And Obama has never given me a massage but based on that I guess it was really bad so do tell; pictures or it didn't happen

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It will create a huge problem internationally for us.
I can name a traditional well established ally who causes a lot bigger problems internationally then talking with Iran ever would.

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I'm just waiting for another topic where the poster declares Obama will give New England to Bin Laden... or just a couple fly over states

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What is so utterly intolerable about Obama's politics ?

The Economist has a good story on him as their header, which cuts to the heart of the issue - Barack Obama | But could he deliver? | Economist.com.

But I get the feeling it's not his inexperience which leads rise to the ABO campaign, Is he percieved as being 'too' left-wing or what?
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Maybe to keep you away from us

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Have you seen French Canadian women?

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Is he percieved as being 'too' left-wing or what?
By the people who wouldn't vote Democrat in the first place.

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I would never go there - again.

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